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Date:      Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:16:25 -0500 (EST)
From:      Colin <cwass99@home.com>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
Cc:        hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: My views on Eclipse/BSD
Message-ID:  <XFMail.20000211221625.cwass99@home.com>
In-Reply-To: <7654.950241961@zippy.cdrom.com>

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     As one of the masses that could probably be accused of "whining" about the
conditions that eclipse was released under, I figure I better say a little
more.  I think what Lucent has done here is "a good thing" ;)  At the very
least it gives us a benchmark to work against.  At the best, it gives us a
chance to get ahead of the rest of the world in a very important area.
     Having said that, there seemed to be a nascent movement to absorb what
Lucent released into FreeBSD, which I see as a "not quite good thing".  Working
with network management and QoS all day every day, my experience so far is that
we are still too early in the game to say that we have seen the light and it is
now available for download at...
     I think what Lucent is trying to do here is prod the software industry and
see what happens.  Working for a different telecom, I can say
there is a lot of doubt about QoS implementations, not least because the
engineers writing the standards aren't all that sure about what they're doing
yet.  This, I guess, is one of the joys of being out in front ;)

On 11-Feb-2000 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> I saw the Lucent folks behind this when they first brought a demo of
> Eclipse to FreeBSDCon '99 and, frankly, I was just pleased that they
> were willing to show up as exhibitors and to show it off at all.  
> 

     This I definately agree with.

    Finally, I would hazard to say the licensing that Lucent released
Eclipse under is not a great leap back from the BSD license, rather a small
step sideways.  The BSD license says, in effect, do what you like with this
code.  Lucent's license says, again in effect, do what you like with this code,
just don't use it as the basis for a commercial product. Draw your own
conclusions ;)

cheers,
Colin


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