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Date:      Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:30:21 -0400
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Chris <chrcoluk@gmail.com>
Cc:        Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Colin Percival <cperciva@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: New != Faster
Message-ID:  <20070604223021.GA31853@rot13.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <3aaaa3a0706041254r257e1480g872faa6e504df6dc@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <466451CA.6020108@tundraware.com> <4664572A.4060003@freebsd.org> <3aaaa3a0706041254r257e1480g872faa6e504df6dc@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:54:50PM +0100, Chris wrote:
> On 04/06/07, Colin Percival <cperciva@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> >> Old   2 PIII @600Mhz           768K    26M/sec    4.11-stable/SMP
> >> 50-60 min
> >> New   Pent D (2 core)@3.2GHz   2G     50M/sec    6.2-stable/SMP
> >> 40-50 min
> >> Fast  2 Xeon @3GHz             3G    130M/sec    4.11-stable/SMP
> >> 8 min
> >>
> >> Is the difference in speed
> >> attributable to 4.11 being faster than 6.2?
> >
> >Close.  The difference in speed is due to the compiler in 4.11 being
> >faster than the compiler in 6.2.  FreeBSD uses the gcc compiler, and
> >between FreeBSD 4.11 and FreeBSD 6.2 that has been upgraded from 2.9
> >to 3.4.  The general trend each time gcc is upgraded is that it takes
> >2x longer to compile code, but produces code which is 5% faster (as a
> >result of "working harder" to find optimizations).
> >
> >FreeBSD 6.2 is faster than FreeBSD 4.11 for almost everything except
> >compiling itself. :-)
> >
> >Colin Percival
> >
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> 
> What about all the following observations?
>
> slower disk performance especially under QUOTA.

s/especially//, unless you have further evidence I don't know about.

> both of these have been confirmed numerous times by different people
> so sweeping them under the carpet and saying they simply not true
> would be wrong.

My detailed measurements of disk performance and those of others I am
aware of contradicts your claim: 6.x equals or outperforms 4.x on disk
I/O (depends on driver) and filesystem I/O.  The only true part of it
is the "under QUOTA" part, which as you know from past discussions, is
still under Giant in 6.x.  As you also know, there is a patch to
address this which is awaiting user testing.  Have you tested it yet?

Kris



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