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Date:      Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:24:24 +1030
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Scott Mitchell <scott+freebsd@fishballoon.org>, Vallo Kallaste <kalts@estpak.ee>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Strange crash, possibly vinum-related
Message-ID:  <20030317235424.GI9422@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030317163746.GA3584@kevad.internal> <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org>
References:  <20030310231532.GD522@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317105828.GA23237@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317115752.GA2250@kevad.internal> <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317163746.GA3584@kevad.internal> <20030310231532.GD522@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317105828.GA23237@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317115752.GA2250@kevad.internal> <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org>

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On Monday, 17 March 2003 at 18:37:46 +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:19:32PM +0000, Scott Mitchell
> <scott+freebsd@fishballoon.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks -- you've confirmed what I suspected, that I could have avoided the
>> problems I saw by being a bit more cautious.  My bad.
>>
>> Out of interest though, why do you advise not putting critical data on a
>> Vinum R5 volume?  This one has been running fine for ~2 years under
>> reasonable loads.  The disk failure was the first time it's required any
>> attention at all, and it seems the problems I had with that were mostly of
>> my own making.  The mailing lists don't seem to be overrun with people
>> complaining that 'Vinum ate my files' :-)
>
> Because RAID5 main features are to increase data redundancy _and_
> data availability. As you have discovered, it runs until it fails
> and then you'll have a hard time recovering it. Recovery is the most
> important (and difficult) part of it.

Well, everybody else seems to manage fine.  It's not difficult, just
unreliable in your experience.  And yes, I take your experience
seriously, but it's not what most other people see.

Greg
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