Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:28:07 +0100 From: Paul Robinson <paul@akita.co.uk> To: Bill Moran <wmoran@iowna.com> Cc: Milo Hyson <milo@cyberlifelabs.com>, Help Victims <fight_terrorism@yahoo.com>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror Message-ID: <20010913102807.A369@jake.akitanet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01091219512600.11358@proxy.the-i-pa.com>; from wmoran@iowna.com on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 07:51:26PM -0400 References: <20010912215547.98067.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> <20010912225151.58FCD37B40B@hub.freebsd.org> <01091219512600.11358@proxy.the-i-pa.com>
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On Sep 13, Bill Moran <wmoran@iowna.com> wrote: > This is not appropriate for -questions, so I've moved it to -chat I'm not 100% if it's something -chat wants to get bogged down in... > Basically, I'm confused as to what your point is? His point is that there are lots of people trying to start a war with chants along the lines of 'USA, Number One!', etc. when it's really not required. His point also, is that whilst people may be disgusted at the actions carried out (myself included), on the larger scale of things in World history they are but a mere blip. I know that sounds heartless to say, but his point is that the US have killed millions just in the last 50 years (after WWII) without giving a stuff, and not being concerned because it was 'them' and that was OK. I think his point is that perhaps America should sit down and think about her actions, and WHY this happened. These guys had a reason for doing what they did, and I'm suprised nobody, anywhere, seems to want to discuss what that might have been. It just seems easier to call them cowards and paste over the issue. > Are you pointing out that all people are imperfect? Are you reiterating > the fact that racism is rampant across the world? Are you suggesting > that the world is full of insane people? That would explain the staff at CNN then. Imperfect, massively racist and xenophobic and to be quite honest, judging from their reports, completely and totally insane. > Basically, I see it this way. Violence is a sign of immaturity. There are > a LOT of immature people in this world. President Bush appears to be > intent on proving to the world just how immature the United States is > by rewarding violence with more violence. I hope the world grows up > before it destroys itself. Read your history, WW I took far less violence > than this to start. We're travelling down a familiar road right now, and the > street signs say WW III. Aginst whom? You see, that's the problem here. I understand Bush hasn't been in office long and his IQ is pretty low, but somebody needs to point out that although 'wars' can make you look popular, when you're declaring one, you kind of need to define who you are fighting. You know, like a country or a name or something. Rather than just 'people who don't like the USA'. And before you say 'bin Laden', can I just point out that all evidence suggesting it was him behind this is purely circumstantial and the CIA and FBI would *really* like to get their hands on him so will say ANYTHING if it means they get a chance to kick his butt. Perhaps even lie about their intelligence. > On a more FreeBSD related note, do you think this will provoke the US > government to create restrictions hurtful to the free software community? > Such as crypto restrictions, or new laws allowing the government to invade > our privacy as we use the internet? All in the name of "protecting the country > from possible terrorist threats?" Could pgp be outlawed? I seriously doubt it. If the laws were drafted, the simple argument would be 'how did crypto prevent these men from being detected?' and at this stage I think they would have a hard problem showing that a law against crypto would have helped. Strangely enough, terrorists don't seem too concerned about breaking the law, and I'm sure they wouldn't too bothered about using crypto in their target country if it was illegal. Maybe the law will get drafted, but it will a stupid one, and one that I think most people would just ignore. -- PR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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