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Date:      Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:48:39 -0700
From:      "John M" <John1mick@cs.com>
To:        "Michael Lucas" <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>, "Ignacio Cristerna" <ignacioc@avantel.net>
Cc:        "freebsd newbies" <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>, <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: BSD Magazine
Message-ID:  <003201c01daa$e5e7e680$8eca86ce@oemcomputer>
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I would like to be in charge of Art Direction; the Linux magazines are such
a mess visually.  Can't there be a magazine with visuals that are organized
and easy to read?  I think so.

John M.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Lucas" <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To: "Ignacio Cristerna" <ignacioc@avantel.net>
Cc: "freebsd newbies" <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>;
<freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: BSD Magazine


> I actually have some experience in publishing, and working with
> publishers.  There's two ways we could make this a reality.
>
> 1) Do it ourselves.
>
> This is a pain, and less "legit" looking.  We could put a plan
> together and try to get some fancy corporate backing (i.e., BSDi), but
> then we need to assemble distributors, handle record-keeping, etc.
> It's not a small job.  Doing it single-handedly is a really, *really*
> sucky and thankless job.  (I used to work for AGIS; believe me, I know
> "sucky".)  With corporate backing it would be a full-time job.
>
> 2) Convince a media conglomerate to do it.
>
> Media companies will publish anything that there is a market for.
> They need print runs of a good 5,000-10,000 magazines to make it even
> vaguely worthwhile.  The editors need to know that they can sell that
> many copies of a magazine.
>
> This boils down to, people need to ask for the magazine.  Just like in
> software support.  Polite grassroots efforts, and so on.
>
> The editors also need to see articles on the same topic in other
> magazines, for cross-pollination.
>
> My summation: if you want to see a BSD magazine, make a two-pronged
> effort:
>
> a) contact editors and ask for it.  Politely.
>
> b) sell BSD articles to print magazines
>
> c) Involve the other BSDs in a) and b).  This is a case where numbers
> matter big-time, just like counting page views.
>
> I'm giving a talk on b) at BSDCon, and will hopefully make a revised
> paper available after the conference.
>
> ==ml
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:59:34AM -0500, Ignacio Cristerna wrote:
> > After seeing all this Linux frenzy, I keep wondering and thinking about
the
> > same thing. There are currently 2 Linux magazines that I know of. Is it
too
> > much to ask to have a BSD magazine. I think that we should aim for a
more
> > streamlined format, maybe a PDF or PS file that everyone could print out
or
> > a magazine with a few pages. I believe the point would be to create a
sense
> > of community and let the rest of the world that we are here, that we are
> > have a good "product" to offer.
> > Just my 2 centavos.
> >
> > Greetings to the FreeBSD community (with or without magazine) from
> > Monterrey, Mexico.
>
> --
> Michael Lucas
> mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
> http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
> Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons
>
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