Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:47:03 +1300 From: "Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: howardjp@well.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did NetBSD and FreeBSD diverge? Message-ID: <200101180647.TAA14325@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200101180626.XAA29452@usr08.primenet.com> References: <200101172339.PAA05269@spammie.svbug.com> from "opentrax@email.com" at Jan 17, 2001 03:39:34 PM
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On 18 Jan 2001, at 6:26, Terry Lambert wrote: > NB: Actually, I'm proud of doing that: if it had been > successful, we'd probably have an organization that > would be much more helpful to people with problems, > and much less likely to say things like "you want it > fixed, where's the code, you whiney moron?". Yes, that's a rather unfortunate side of FreeBSD which I'd rather see the back of. > I'm > not that happy with the clique-ish nature of the > community that's developed, where everyone thinks > it's the order of the universe that "newbies must > pay their dues". I've not yet considered it clique-ish, but now that you mention it, I've had more than one encounter with a committer who felt it was beneath them to deal with an issue I brought up. In brief, they said they had better things to do. I've always been a advocate of helping when and where you can. The level at which one can help changes as experience is gained. It's a moving threshold. > The BSD community has grown to > resemble a college fraternity, with its own set of > "hazing" rules, which, thankfully, Linux and other > Open Source software projects seem to have sucessfully > avoided. Could you please elaborate on the "hazing" rules? > I think the reason the "openports" thing hasn't really > gotten anywhere yet in displacing the ports trees of the > various projects, is that there is not demonstrable benefit > for the majority of the people doing the actualy work: Do you mean openpackages.org? That project is still fairly new. We're not even at the stage of having a ports tree ready for public consumption. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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