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Date:      Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:48:57 -0800
From:      "Rudy Gireyev" <rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com>
To:        jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cyrix 686 type processor
Message-ID:  <19990225093908.4C99914C30@hub.freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <19990224141425.B9876@caamora.com.au>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902231112490.320-100000@picnic.mat.net>; from Chuck Robey on Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500

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If you are looking for PPro replacement wouldn't that be the Xeon family?

Rudy

Date sent:      	Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:14:25 +1100
From:           	jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
To:             	Chuck Robey <chuckr@mat.net>
Copies to:      	freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:        	Re: cyrix 686 type processor

> On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, jonathan michaels wrote:
> > 
> > > > FreeBSD supports, so far, only the Intel APIC design, which is the only
> > > > really having support by motherboards, so this isn't a really
> > > > unreasonable decision.  If you have a processor other than Intel, and
> > > > it supports SMP, then it's using the OpenAPIC, and you're SOL as far as
> > > > using it for FreeBSD smp.
> > > 
> > > i here teh k7's (amd ?) are going to be intel smp compatible, but no one is 
> > > talking price, yet.
> > > 
> > > as regards other issues .. are teh amd;s and teh cyrix's ok to be used in 
> > > single processor mode .. i mean are thier any gotchas about using them and can 
> > > freebsd get around teh quirks.
> > > 
> > > i'm asking this question because i've never really used non intel parts, and 
> > > most of teh people i deal with are intel onlies as well, thiers isn't a wealth 
> > > of non-intel experience around these parts.
> > 
> > The only problems I've heard of are for SMP.  For single processor
> 
> smp, is something i'm interested in but not for the 'production' mail server 
> and webpage hosting machine.
> 
> > boards, the problems are entirely different.  There aren't any absolute
> > gotchas, but obviously, performance differs.  They are not simple
> 
> i have a fairly simple philosophy to performance bottle necks, divide teh task 
> and add another processor to the backplane, or add anther machine to the 
> ethernet segment .. not an ideal solution from teh purists perspective, but 
> its kept me going for nearly 15 years .. so far .. knock, knock, head, hollow 
> wood sounds .. grin.
> 
> > commodity items.  If you're worried about performance, read Tom's
> > Hardware page (pointers from the freebsd home page).  If you're just
> 
> i once went thier and found it a mess .. my apologies to teh author, but, i 
> have poor eyes (neurological damage), i use lynx browser and teh site is not 
> specifically desigend to be 'read' by a text browser, this may have change in 
> teh last 6 moths or so .. this was my experience, of teh site.
> 
> > trying to save money, nearly all of them work to *some* degree.
> 
> are teh only real 'problems' in teh maths co-processor code, i've looked at 
> teh lint'd version of kernel sources and see lots of stuff about the maths 
> co-processor. 
> 
> > 
> > If you're looking for a simple performance answer here, sorry, there
> > isn't one.
> 
> performance has little if anyting to do with my line of reasoning, 
> reliability, repeatable results and stability are far more important, and 
> these days cost is becoming a significant criteria .. now that intel has 
> seeminly junked teh pentium pro, and replaced it with some not as good 
> technology. ppro was too expensive to produce in 'quantity' and teh production 
> line was 'fussy' anout thngs like quality control and quality of input 
> materials, etc etc etc ... and so on
> 
> what i am looking for is teh pentium pro 'performance edge', but not the intel 
> pentium p3 price tag.
> 
> 
> ooops .. sorry i may have gotten a little carried away.
> 
> anyway thank you fro yor reply
> 
> regards
> 
> jonathan
> 
> -- 
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> ===========================================================<jon@caamora.com.au>
> 
> 
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