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Date:      Thu, 03 May 2001 11:21:39 -0700
From:      Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
To:        jessemonroy@email.com, jessem@livecam.com
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: [jkh@osd.bsdi.com: ANNOUNCE: Status update on ftp.freebsd.org A   KA ftp.freesoftware.com]
Message-ID:  <20010503112139V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
In-Reply-To: <200105031804.LAA12112@dnull.com>
References:  <20010503104606M.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <200105031804.LAA12112@dnull.com>

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From: jessem@livecam.com
Subject: Re: [jkh@osd.bsdi.com: ANNOUNCE: Status update on ftp.freebsd.org A   KA ftp.freesoftware.com]
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:03:35 -0700 (PDT)

> At your request, I have moved this to hackers.

You mean chat.  Thank you.

> Per your insistance, that this has nothing to do with hackers, is
> in my opinion Bull. 

Your opinion doesn't count for much in this case since it's clearly
not a -hackers issue.  The freebsd-hackers mailing list, as is again
clearly outlined in the charter I pointed you to, is for technical
discussion.  I simply cannot see how anyone with a reasonable command
of english could read into that a mandate for discussing the FTP site.
There's even a mailing list purely devoted to discussing that
infrastructure and it's called hubs@freebsd.org.

> The pettyness that is rising *is* solely on your part. I have no
> agenda here other than that *that is good* for BSD and the businesses
> and jobs around BSD.

What you evidently see as pettyness is my simply trying to keep the
mailing lists sane and comparatively focused on things other than
flamebait.

You seem equally adept at generating flamebait and then attempting to
pass it off under the guise of "supporting the community" or "doing
what's good for BSD" and when people come back and call a spade a
spade, you evade the issue entirely by suggesting that identifying
flamebait as such constitutes a fear of your opinions or some other
such rubbish.  Sorry, I don't buy it.

> I urge you to stop the rhetoric NOW. I urge you to respond, as 
> we would expect a BSDer to respond when dealing with issues
> of a professional nature.

I have already responded, in just over 5000 words, to freebsd-announce
as a BSDer.  The fact that you then chose to regard that as a cover-up
for some reason is your own doing and not something I can even
genuinely respond to since I think the only response which would
satisfy you at this point would be something to the effect of:

OK Jesus, you're right, you caught us.  This has all been a highly
orchestrated plot between Wind River and Microsoft, who are secretly
in collusion and actually the same company, to wipe out a promising
young operating system effort and acquire its developers for pennies
on the dollar.  They figured that after they got us all turned out on
the streets and forced to sell our bodies and various internal organs
for food, they could acquire us cheap and get us to sign the waiver
form that allows the Visual Basic brain implants.  Then we'd simply
turn into Borg-like zombies who wrote Visual Basic all day long
without complaint and nothing other than an occasionally mumbled
"ActiveX controls are good!" escaping from our lips.

Ah Jesus, I quail before your mighty insight!

- Jordan

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