Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 17:11:02 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Cc: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com>, "cem@freebsd.org" <cem@freebsd.org>, gjb@freebsd.org, "Pokala, Ravi" <rpokala@panasas.com>, ghapiro@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <arch@freebsd.org>, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> Subject: Re: Sendmail deprecation ? Message-ID: <20171207161102.cy4d3y6a2qm6w74f@ivaldir.net> In-Reply-To: <201712071532.vB7FWb4A062722@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201712070348.vB73mesl095194@slippy.cwsent.com> <201712071532.vB7FWb4A062722@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
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--bwltqmbjuauk2qsm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:32:37AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > In message <201712070251.vB72p58k054508@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert= =20 > > writes: > > > In message <B16088FF-FDE1-4EDF-AB76-D60C2E5F3E8F@panasas.com>, "Pokal= a,=20 > > > Ravi" w > > > rites: > > > > So less "no dma(8)", and more "no default MTA at all; make them sel= ect one" > > > ? > > > > > > Yes. > >=20 > > Thinking about this further and softening my position a little, I'd be= =20 > > satisfied with a knob to not build dma in base at all. (Though the desi= re=20 > > to remove bloat I prefer not to replace when something is removed.) > >=20 > > Upline sendmail hasn't been updated for a a year and almost eight month= s.=20 > > (I had misgivings of the sale.) Having said that, I think sendmail's ti= me=20 > > has come however I'm not convinced replacing it with another default MT= A is=20 > > the solution. A stub like pkg that could install a package, providing t= he=20 > > user with a list to choose from, possibly timing out after a short peri= od=20 > > of time to install the dma pkg (or port) makes the most sense to me and= =20 > > should be a good compromise for all. > >=20 > > As gjb@ has been working toward packaged base, would it not be a good t= ime=20 > > for the MTA replacement project to consider relying on dma ports/packag= es? > >=20 > > Ports/packages are just as much FreeBSD as base is. >=20 > Why do we not just wait for pkg base? =20 >=20 > These silly threads on "axe this" are just waisting time that should be > spent on getting pkg base done and then these issues become pretty much > a /dev/null. >=20 First this is totally unrelated. Second pkg base is very far from being ready, lots of work is needed to get= it ready for users, and this thread is not taking time at all from the time sp= ent on getting pkg base. Have you noticed the sender of this request is also on= e who have spent a lot of time in packaging base? I can tell you these issues won't become pretty much a /dev/null once packa= ging base is there. In particular in the case of sendmail, it can btw actually s= ave time on packaging base, but that is another story... It would be nice to not call others work silly, you are the first to ask for people to actually follow a deprecation procedure and when they do you call= it "silly"? Bapt --bwltqmbjuauk2qsm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAlopaBMACgkQY4mL3PG3 PlqXAg/+NkKxeNUu6qMFil2gNn0HrrEjFs6XZNto/c32dsps9aipC8S0A2N1dPl2 m7PF/SgvFkjUrUDJbwh+tpo0uDJg36a/RiYI1+gxCdTzUQfny8q0FmwAS85VCxfF EPEucbgfWh/MKsIrVhBiymoOQMqtYy933ScdMGeds7cdWOHuSEFrn5Ryyyk3bAkw Z4vjc/Vttk57Q4z8hs9gMYLq9iD337NcJsq4fS+1b/fClfIpZP1kLWSbEUJXsbCc fuyWBihCfyP5t5bUjGr77n06Doun2af+e1caMvXtAt3iJvO5vhVmheDH9V9R3PYu +xfT3KgpqnAmtpNF0dDOofAUWviRbORnEKf2ggd16VlaIU35+BrwmN1Zau0uGVOt IszMmaMutvJp0RdzX4+q9TOxzGfamMgxgR0ojdVGk7nFqxGMHi3QkdqNE3nu3+Ub MJ4L0bRy1kyCEnhseAnEZw+dqi7JiVK0a1nkTW5ExBKOnJvJQ1/lvw/rZCkUSnrq SOABFnU1kxThecFuzZO1mrJPuNLC2TYJuxYxUQDo9pWytqNVOfgarN+ln+/i+732 UXerOnTMUYLfZ27LVveGlj/oYGJcypmg+/NdwCI9hH3vAqY3M+dCnP7jGZHQxHY4 hs4xkiv+fg9THUtuEoAun5ItmmFv0Pcr9A3tVrh8vQ4dTOKr1LA= =0H2O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bwltqmbjuauk2qsm--
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