Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: DTD <doug@safeport.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stable vs releng Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1808221537530.78480@bucksport.safeport.com> In-Reply-To: <20180822210021.80650aa0.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <010327df-876b-dc05-e9ed-130f3e8decb0@ifdnrg.com> <db8f5efe-4cb2-2d71-ea47-afbf7e4d7b4d@FreeBSD.org> <20180822154439.e388b74673a183639554ff5e@sohara.org> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1808221335430.43782@fledge.watson.org> <20180822210021.80650aa0.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT), doug wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:52:36 +0100 >>> Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> wrote: >>> >>>> So no removal of drivers, no >>>> changes to ABIs, compatibility for 3rd party kernel modules across all >>>> the kernels in the branch etc. Some of that I think we're getting >>>> right, other bits we aren't doing so well with. >>> >>> <cough>nVidia</cough> >>> >> I do not understand. If the FreeBSD Desktop support model is a two story >> outhouse, XORG has always been on the top floor. At least that was my >> understanding. What am I missing? > > I think the main problem here is the switch from the > normal text-oriented console subsystem sc to the > graphics-oriented vt, which of course means more > demands regarding "addressing the GPU". Additionally, > X currently requires (!) the use of vt. So while X > brings its own drivers, the OS now also needs to > include certain aspects of "programming toward > hardware". > > According to the vt page, there needs to be support > for different brands of graphics cards: > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons > > Sure, this is completely out of concern if you just > want to use the regular text mode - you switch back > to sc (as vt has become the default), and everything > works as it did for decades. But you cannot use X in > that configuration anymore. That's why development > on vt is ongoing, but not complete yet. But it is > already more than "good enough" to be included as > the default console subsystem, as it works in 99 % > of the typical use cases. > > While you can switch screen sizes in vt (except to > the one you want), it lacks certain features that > did exist in sc reliably for many years. But when > you use X, those are typically not needed, and X > requires vt, so... those features won't come back. > "Just use X!" is what solves any problems. ;-) Indeed, I totally overlooked that. Thanks guys. I have just accepted what the console does to me. The servers that really matter I get to via serial console. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277
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