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Date:      Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:49:24 -0700
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Paulo Cesar Pereira de Andrade <paulo@fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br>
Cc:        Damon Permezel <dap@damon.com>, Stephen Wynne <stevemw@northwest.com>, java@FreeBSD.ORG, java-port@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Crashes with Swing 1.0.1 and Lesstif 0.82/port
Message-ID:  <199803042049.NAA11466@mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980304152821.29183A-100000@fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br>
References:  <199803040326.VAA02968@damon.com> <Pine.BSF.3.96.980304152821.29183A-100000@fiscodata-pr.netpar.com.br>

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> > >     I no longer care about lesstif, so if you find that motif
> > >     doesn't want this change, lets undo it.
> > 
> > Perhaps you understand why I eventually decided that the $$ invested in
> > a copy of Motif would be well spent.
> 
>   I'm yet to learn java, but have some coments here. Please, don't depend
> on commercial products.

Java is a commercial product if you *really* want to split hairs.

>   I don't have anything against Xig (they are very friendly and
>   helpfull to customers), but need to say, their FreeBSD products
>   are too old.

Too old?

>   I've buyed their Motif and XServer hopping to learn Motif and see a
>   'Real X Server'. At least on my S3 board, XFree is faster, and
>   *even* uses HW cursor.

At leats on my S3 board, their 3.1 server *kills* it in terms of
performance, and is less buggy.  I can also do 24bit color at 1600x1200
with a 4MB board which I can't with XFree.

> Their libraries are broken, mostly because of the utmp/wtmp
> changes, and on my 3.0 box, even editing the binary (yes, I did it,
> because it has a lot of hardcoded resources, and is not friendly
> to -xrm args).

XIG doesn't support 3.0.  Heck, does XFree86 support 3.0?  I wouldn't
expect any commercial vendor to support a moving target like -current.
I don't run it on any of my boxes that are for 'general' use, and I'm a
developer. :)

> I never could get Xsetup -graphics to work, only Xsetup -text. It
> prints some messages that cannot load some font's and core-dumps.

Did you contact their tech. support about this?  Did you download the
patch for Xsetup from their WWW/ftp site?

>   Also, in one of the latest CERT's I've read, it appears that Accel X
> uses a bug in *BSD to get write permission's in /dev/mem. When it is
> fixed, current versions of AccellX will not work anymore.

Except that they will (hopefully) provide a patch for this.  There just
like any vendor (including FreeBSD).  When bugs are found fixes take
time to get integrated/tested and put into the tree.  FreeBSD hasn't
even fixed it yet.

>   I hope all the problems I had are because I don't want go back to
>   2.2.1, but will not use neither Motif neither AccellX.

Fine, but don't expect people to spend alot of time fixing something
that is so broken (LessTif) when a working solution (Motif) exists.  I
have no interest in re-inventing something that works.  Java is the
technology I seek, not the process of getting Java freed.



Nate

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