Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:37:34 +0100 From: <adam@adamretter.eclipse.co.uk> To: <freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org> Cc: Paul Richards <paul@originative.co.uk> Subject: Re: BSD Administrator LFW Message-ID: <000d01c479aa$78a5ceb0$f51010ac@funkalicious> References: <20040801173709.GA33102@parodius.com> <410DD3EE.4020300@pacbell.net> <20040802093250.GA57641@parodius.com> <20040802183709.GB2726@night.dbn> <410EB15C.8000204@pacbell.net> <20040803193025.GA11876@nvnsvch.org> <1091570517.823.8.camel@myrddin>
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Just a thought - As a user of computers, I try to gain as much knowledge as possible of all aspects of computing. For some time now I have been studying the FreeBSD operating system and using it as much as possible, technically I find it to be a good system. I have experimented with various versions of Windows / Mac OS and Linux/Unix amongst others over the years on several hardware platforms. After several years of `playing` with FreeBSD, I have made an observation about FreeBSD admin's or users or developers or whatever else you may want to call yourselves, and that is this (Firstly, I realise this is a generalisation. Secondly, yes I am generalising but that is what I must do to describe a community easily. Thirdly, there are always exceptions to every rule of course) - Out of all the virtual community's I have interacted with over the years, FreeBSD admin's are the worst - You are unhelpful, Pedantic, Obsessive and Obstructive, generally reminding me of a bunch of bitching secondary school girls who believe they are the `in-group`. Whatever happened to helping each other and community spirit. You all seem so obsessed with FreeBSD and your self prowess of such that if someone is unwilling to follow `your` standards or ideals then you push them aside. Now I have read a lot of articles saying the Mac community has the worst Zealots, but I would suggest that its actually FreeBSD. What are you guys so scared off, cant we have open cooperative development without all this touchy feel-i-ness (unless its constructive of course). (Please don't reply to tell me FreeBSD is an Open project and cooperatively developed - I am aware of this), to what I refer is all the politics and snide doings that are also in place. An Example - I have been kicked out of a FreeBSD chat room strangely named #freebsdhelp which one would imagine you would visit for help - although I required help and asked sensible questions (I am not new to this!), I was kicked out for using short hand. I never realised Internet Chat was so formal and I would cite this as an example of small mindedness among FreeBSD admin's. This is not meant as a bitch at a community of what are very technically apt individuals, more a call to awareness. Has anyone else noticed this? Hope I haven't dropped a bomb! Cheers Adam Retter. (If there are spelling and grammar mistakes I apologise, but I do not consider this a formal address) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" <paul@originative.co.uk> To: "gwen" <gwen@nvnsvch.org> Cc: "Diane Bruce" <db@db.net>; <freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: BSD Administrator LFW > On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 20:30, gwen wrote: > > * richard childers / kg6hac (fscked@pacbell.net) [040803 15:04]: > > > I think the question is whether two years of professional work is > > > sufficient to qualify as 'senior'. > > > > > > I would not hire someone who misrepresented themselves; and seniority, > > > while relative, is not something that one accrues in less time than it > > > takes to get an AA. > > > > > > If I include all the time I spent working with computers before I got my > > > first job, why, I'd have -thirty- years of experience ... not twenty. > > Replying to this is probably a really stupid thing to do... > > However, I'll say one thing, your CV should show your job decription as > it was stated in your job contract i.e. what your employer hired you to > be. If your employer hired you as "senior sysadmin" then that's what you > can put in your CV. if you put anything other than that then you're > likely to be found out at a later stage in proceedings, what you > actually did in a practical sense is an entirely different matter and > something a prospective employer should have enough sense to determine > through other means. > > Paul. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-jobs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-jobs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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