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Date:      Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:12:41 +0100
From:      "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>
To:        "Terry Lambert" <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        "f.johan.beisser" <jan@caustic.org>, "FreeBSD Chat" <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: UNIX on the Desktop (was: Re: Why no Indians and Arabs?)
Message-ID:  <003301c186eb$bf1e8710$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
References:  <20011216112759.U16958-100000@localhost> <002f01c1866e$1e4d9510$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C1DB7EB.9232204A@mindspring.com> <001101c186dd$5ab94430$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C1DCDAC.CEA3DEAF@mindspring.com>

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Terry writes:

> Actually, it was designed as a single user
> Multics replacement to serve as a loader
> and emulator for already written "space war"
> and other games for PDP hardware ...

By the time it gained any widespread use, it was designed as a multiuser
timesharing system.

> You really need to read a history of UNIX ...

I'm familiar with the history of UNIX.  A glance at the architecture of UNIX
as it has been for the past two decades or so reveals a multiuser,
text-based timesharing system, not a dedicated, single-user desktop.

> If you have followed the evolution of CIFS
> over the years, you would know that there is
> now the possibility of passing credential
> information over a single multiplex channel
> to a file server.

Single-user desktops do not necessarily communicate with file servers.  They
may not communicate with anything at all.

> Please do not confuse "single user" with
> "single credential".

I'm not.  See above.  Credentials are only meaningful in multiuser
environments, however.  In a single-user environment, everyone always has
the same credentials, so they become irrelevant.

> FWIW: I uses to run DOS machines "multiuser",
> using a timer based TSR facility and the serial
> port redirection available to handle COM port
> based I/O, which surfaces in MS-DOS 2.11 (I
> did this on Leading Edge 8086 boxes).  The
> resulting machines were "multiuser",
> but NOT "multicredentialed".

Most people did not do this, so your comment is irrelevant.

> THere's really nothing inconvenient about
> credential enforcement, when it is done
> correctly.

It requires more effort than no credential enforcement, whether it is done
correctly or not.  And it is often unnecessary.

> So even without "multiuser" or "multicredential",
> I get the same level of enforcement that yo state
> is the primary reason to not have "multiuser" or
> "multicredential" support in a desktop.

You are not representative.

> Then you were well aware that Windows was not
> an intrinsic part of the OS, but was instead an
> application program that ran as a graphical
> user shell, capable of "fork/exec" type
> operations, and that you boot to DOS, not Windows,
> and the Windows startup has more to do with the
> initial command loaded being "command" or "win".

Yes, I am, which makes me wonder why you feel compelled to explain it.

> Of course, since once again, they defeat your
> binary view of the universe... 8^).

No, they simply aren't significant players.  Nobody cares about Lindows,
except maybe Lindows, Inc.

> Sure.  That's what scripting languages are for.
> Most people don't need to do that sort of thing,
> though, for a non-enterprise installation ...

And those who don't are not system administrators, and thus do not require a
graphic interface to these functions, either.

> ... and even if they do, the number of people
> they have to support is small enough that they
> can "live with the pain" of GUI administration.

If it is painful, then it is not as convenient as you first asserted, is it?

> I rather expect Apple to start selling rack-mount
> systems as OS/X becomes more popular...

I don't.  They've modified the system too much and turned it away from a
server application.  Besides, it would not be in line with their sacred
mission.


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