Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:24:39 -0500 From: "Crow Leader" <presence@symmetric.net> To: "Jason DiCioccio" <geniusj@bluenugget.net>, "Sung Nae Cho" <sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu> Cc: <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Message-ID: <009001c114c1$b891efa0$0a00000a@crow.net> References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0107241745020.34308-100000@shell-2.enteract.com> <030801c114ba$96287170$bf960340@jason8bo2vxz5e>
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I would be excited to have two ways to install and maintain a FreeBSD system. Read below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason DiCioccio" <geniusj@bluenugget.net> To: "Rev. K Kanno" <presence@churchofinformationwarfare.org>; "Sung Nae Cho" <sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu> Cc: <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:33 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > I don't think there are enough resources to do something like this. How can > someone predict what support you want in your servers? If you want your own I don't know anybody who runs a server with sound cards, APM sleep mode, and all those worthless USB devices, expermental filesystems that have docs that only say they are broken and brooktree video capture cards. > kernel, build it yourself.. Or build your own kernel/config file and use it > across all the servers assuming they're similar. I don't think the FreeBSD > team should have to have 10 different maintained kernel builds just to I see no need for 10. Just 2. One for maintaining a SERVER (support for systemboard, disks, networking and console) and one for a WORKSTATION with all the silly frills that make a system cluttery and possibly fun to play with for those who like to test out new hardware. When will FreeBSD become completely bloated with "features" like in windows that are really hard to delete or just not have because it is assumed that everybody wants them? As an example it is probably safe to say that most FreeBSD installations are not on laptops and nobody needs all those related files in /etc/ and who knows elsewhere. Why would they even be there to start with? if I submitted 300 drivers for entertaining but nonessential devices would they make their way into the distribution? Would everybody have to have /etc/EthenetOverSundials.conf and USBSuperArcnet.conf on their system just because it exists? KEN > satisfy everyone. > > Cheers, > -JD- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. K Kanno" <presence@churchofinformationwarfare.org> > To: "Sung Nae Cho" <sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu> > Cc: <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > > > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > > I disagree. I'd like to know there is always a stable platform to run > server > > duties on for the intel platform. If I want a pretty desktop with 3 > trillion > > apps, I will run windows. > > > > This is just me, but I'm really sick of commenting out all the trash for > > dekstops from my kernel config files. I don't give a damn about human > > interface devices, USB and nonsense like that. Maybe there could be two > > versions of FreeBSD. A "stripped down" version for servers and maybe some > port > > or installation option that just adds the toys and nonsense desktop people > > seem to want for a workstation. > > > > Just an opinion. > > > > KEN > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, > FreeBSD, > > > Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck up with > > > stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need performance! I > > > have "async" otpion turned on in my /etc/fstab, I'm glad the FreeBSD by > > > default enables the write cache for my hard disks. Come on, wake up! > > > FreeBSD is no longer for some dorky server administrator who does > nothing > > > but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks > > > and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as > > > server use! I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out > > > just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some > > > extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my > > > files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my > > > computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for > > > stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in > > > todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to > Linux. > > > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > > > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > > > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > > > desktops need performance!!!!! > > > > > > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > > The Exploding Fruit Challenge! Rev. K. Kanno > > > > www.energybeam.com blowup-fruit@energybeam.com > > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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