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Date:      Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:25:09 +0100
From:      Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr>
To:        "Jason C. Wells" <jcw@highperformance.net>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: The beastie boot menu.
Message-ID:  <1101788709.41abf62519b57@imp2-q.free.fr>
In-Reply-To: <FA1860B97FADCA625C68119A@[192.168.1.16]>
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Quoting "Jason C. Wells" <jcw@highperformance.net>:
> Of the things I read about
> Dragonfly, user friendliness is not one of the things I recall as being a
> design goal.

It is, very much so.  But not immediately.  A lot of fundamental
infrastructure (VFS in particular) is changing first.

My problem isn't that user-friendliness isn't a design goal for FreeBSD:
it is that a large and influential section of the FreeBSD community is
actively hostile to user-friendliness, usually on the grounds that
"this is the traditional BSD way".  The csh/tcsh battle was won by the
user-friendliness argument, but that was an exception, and even that
bikeshed continues to pop up several years after the fact.

Another example is packaging of the base system.  This does not mean
turning BSD into Red Hat, it means being able more easily to remove
optional components, and having less junk (like stale header files)
lying around after an installworld.  People have posted patches
on FreeBSD lists to register parts of the world in the pkg database,
but there's no chance of it becoming mainstream.

Rahul



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