Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:33:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com> To: Uncle George <gatgul@voicenet.com> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>, nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha Message-ID: <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> In-Reply-To: <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com>
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> > > that a single 500mhz, 21164 processor ( akin to a pent II maybe, where
> > > the newer 21264 alpha chip has a sorta "doubler" ) with 4 gig disk.
> >
> > Sounds right.
> >
> > > did u folks get a JIT with the java src code ( even if it is for the
> > > i386 ) .
> >
> > Well, we got the Solaris JIT for Sparc, but that's part of the stock
> > download. Otherwise, we don't have a JIT. (Unlike the Blackdown folks
> > who got a JIT for x86 only.)
>
> Is it in SRC form? or just the standard binary distribution. If its written
> in generic 'c', then maybe there is a chance to get it to go.
Again, as I stated below, the early JIT is not Sun's, so they don't give
out source code to it (even to commercial licensees). The commercial
licensees either developed their own, or went JITless.
> I think that
> metrolink had at one time a generic JIT - i suppose u have to fill in the
> blanks for each CPU architecture. u also need to sign a NDA for it. I dont
> know if its still avail.
I don't either. I don't believe the Blackdown folks ever used it,
although I don't know for sure.
> > > I suppose this would mean that SUN is treating u like the commercial
> > > guys, and not giving u crippled code.
> >
> > I get early drops and the whole nine-yards. Unfortunately, because Sun
> > didn't own the early JIT (it was sub-licensed from Symantec), they don't
> > give out source code to it.
> >
> > > I'm curious as to why SUN does not want to support u folks
> > > with a JCK.
> >
> > We have access to the JCK. What we don't have is a binary distribution
> > license.
>
> You dont ? then why would anybody want to work on this project IF its very
> likely that the end results will never see "light of day" .
The original thinking was that Sun was going to allow a binary
distribution. However, the licenses they've proposed have been unusable
up to this point.
> I originally
> thought u had license to distribute ( ie a bin license ) but no JCK to test
> like it once was with NON-COMMERCIAL licensees.
That's what I thought as well (since that's how JDK1.1 stuff was
licensed), but things changed in JDK1.2. You have to pass the JCK tests
*and* have a valid distribution license. Sun gave us access to the
former, but so far not the latter.
> do u have a (written) promise of a bin distribution license if u pass
> all of the JCK tests ?
Sort of, but we'd be in violation of it the day we signed it, hence it's
unusable.
> > > would it be possible to also get the Java3D code. I'd also like to
> > > complete that code so I can get into the vrml/java code that some
> > > folks have been doing. If not, i'll have to go the the i386/linux side
> > > of things :{
> >
> > We'd need a port to the Alpha before any of that was done. :(
> >
>
> Does that mean that Java3D is avail ( or contemplated ) for the i386/bsd
> port ?
It's certainly not off the scope, but w/out a basic J2SE, it's kind of a
moot point.
> Any official (officious) BSD/Java web site that u folks use to distribute
> info/binaries of the project ?
Again, we don't have any legal rights to distribute the binaries, so
there is no 'official' (or unofficial for that matter) distribution
site.
The most up-to-date public material is in the archives of this list, and
there is additional information at:
http://www.freebsd.org/java.
Nate
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