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Date:      Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com>
To:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Stopping the bloody cross posting.
Message-ID:  <199807151655.MAA00679@rtfm.ziplink.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980714230751.4031G-100000@localhost> from "Tim Vanderhoek" at "Jul 14, 98 11:26:17 pm"

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Tim Vanderhoek once stated:

=> First, I do not see anything wrong with Sender listing multiples.
=> Second, what's wrong with relying on To: and/or Cc:?
=
=Well, for starters because your message that I'm responding to
=right now does not include any To: or Cc: headers.

No To:-header? So, majordomo removed it? Can you verify? I did
not put anything into CC figuring you are subscribed to -chat.
(I'm not, btw -- your CC are apreciated).

Besides, a special X-Whatever header can contain anything that's
neccessary. For example, "X-Majordomo-Lists: freebsd-chat
openbsd-mobile" -- an artificical example where openbsd and freebsd
lists are handled by the same server. This header will also contain only
"official" list names, for your convinience.

=Consider a message x-posted to -chat and -alpha.  I am not
=subscribed to -alpha, however, my filter sees -alpha in the Cc: 
=header.  Since my filter automatically recognizes new (FreeBSD) 
=mailing-lists and performs certain actions based on this, it will
=think I've subscribed to -alpha.  Not Good.  Even worse if
=someone Cc:'s a mythical mailing list.

Then your filter is broken -- it tries to archive anything (or anything
coming from freebsd.org). Let's not discuss actual implementation,
unless you are trying to prove making such a filter is _impossible_.
BTW, AFAIK, this is how alt.* news groups are created -- anyone
can make a new one by including it into Newsgroups header :)

=This is still going to screw people who subscribe each -list to a
=different address.  Eg. -hackers to freebsd-hackers@time.cdrom.com.

This can, actually, be used to force hub to send copies -- for those
who want it and are willing to waste some (cheap) local storage.

=Finally, those headers are not altogether reliable.

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by this.

=> I just find it silly to duplicate messages on the hub, when they can
=> easily be replicated by the receiver (if he/she wants to) for some
=> sort of archiving. The Internet gets plenty of traffic from dummies
=> already...

[...]

=Really, your argument about resources is bogus. The only way that
=this becomes an issue is if cross-posting becomes rampant, and if
=cross-posting becomes rampant [...]

It is a _problem_ only when it's rampant. But it is always an anoyance.
And resource-consuming. Not just hub's CPU, but the Internet bandwidth,
people's disks, people's modems, and people's time too.

	-mi

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