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Date:      Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:38:53 +1000 (EST)
From:      Gary Roberts <gdr@eros.che.curtin.edu.au>
To:        rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich)
Cc:        stephen@farrell.org, emulation@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: applixware discussion
Message-ID:  <199810160338.NAA01982@eros.che.curtin.edu.au>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.981015102629.6178A-100000@terra> from "Ron G. Minnich" at "Oct 15, 98 10:30:17 am"

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Ron G. Minnich writes :-

> I'm well aware that this is not a hacker thing, but memory tells me that 
> it came up on this list. I am sorry if my memory is wrong. 

Probably you are referring to the following from Stephen Farrell
<stephen@farrell.org> which came up on emulation on Sep 29.
emulation probably isn't the right list either as we are now discussing
application usability rather that the emulation process itself.  However
this is important to all potential users of this type of application, so
I'm very glad you passed on your experiences.  There must be a *huge*
potential market to lure dissatisfied M$ users to any unix, Linux or *BSD
if only there were some very good *office apps around which _did_ have
workable filters and converters, etc.

> > Just a quick note to say that applix 4.4.1 for linux (the new version
> > which supports office 97 data) works flawlessly on stock fbsd 2.2.7
> > (for me, to date) -- no special steps required for fbsd.

> > So far I've tested the install, retrieving of office 97 documents
> > (word and excel), email, printing and various other settings.  I have
> > not yet succeeded in figuring out how/if the SQL stuff works, but I
> > cannot see why it wouldn't.

> > For more information on this product, see http://linux.applix.com/

> Anyway, I have the latest applixware release. It's 99 bucks. If you think 
> it will let you share M$ office files with other M$ office users, it won't. 
> The filters don't work. In particular, powerpoint and word graphics and 
> charts get damaged or deleted. So if you're planning on getting 
> applixware for M$ office interoperation, don't waste your money. 

Looks like what you would expect :-).  As noted by Stephen, some things
work, but you have found things that don't.

> Now if you just want an ok set of tools for office use, applixware is 
> pretty nice. Unlike stupid M$ office tools, the files are not based on a 
> binary format -- what a concept. There's lots of things to like in these 
> tools, as long as working filters are not a concern. 

This is the bit that particularly interested me.  If the aim was to wean
a Secretary away from M$ office (a complete withdrawal :-). ) can what
you bought fill the void?  I want to run an all FreeBSD shop and I don't
mind a bit of pain and suffering (from withdrawal symptoms) in order to
get there.

> Sorry for this digression if this is a wrong list. Please don't followup 
> to -hackers

I've shifted it to emulation so that other people running similar apps
under linux emulation will see it and perhaps share their experiences.

> Ron Minnich                |"Using Windows NT, which is known to have some 
> rminnich@sarnoff.com       | failure modes, on a warship is similar to hoping 
> (609)-734-3120             | that luck will be in our favor"- A. Digiorgio
> ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html 

Cheers,
-- 
Gary Roberts            (gdr@wcs.uq.edu.au)

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