Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:49:43 -0400 From: Randi Harper <sektie@freebsdgirl.com> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster Message-ID: <1B1966EA-DCF0-11D7-BDAD-000393D46EC6@freebsdgirl.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030901203824.0337c920@localhost>
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On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 10:45 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > At 08:07 PM 9/1/2003, Randi Harper wrote: > >> My mom runs FreeBSD. ;) > > Good for her! So does my wife, who is an artist and not technical. > > But she runs text consoles THROUGH a Windows machine. Ah. My mother actually runs a FreeBSD desktop. Personally, I have a FreeBSD 4.8 laptop, 2 servers running 5.1, and a windows box running exceed (no explorer.exe) that stream x apps over the network from my fbsd server. Windows gives me hives. > >> A desktop of it's own? Let's clarify something here. Having something >> like gnome or KDE doesn't qualify something as being a 'desktop' or >> not. Surely you can recall the days before gnome and KDE were >> popular. What did we use then? Window Maker? Enlightenment? KDE was >> somewhat popular, but it didn't have the momentum it has now. Yes, >> those are aimed at the Linux people. And for what it's worth, let >> them have it. gnome and KDE are the toilet paper of the stinky gas >> station bathroom that is X11, in my opinion. > > Yes, X11 is awkward and messy to build on. I do think that Apple's > approach, > which scuttles X11 as a foundation for a UNIX GUI, is the right way to > go. > (I have heard, however, that they will have a built-in X server in the > next > version of OS X, so they will be able to interoperate with UNIX code > that > relies on X11.) Absolutely. I got my first look at OS X a few days ago when I got my new laptop, a PowerBook G4. I am loving it so far. I won't say it doesn't have it's problems, but it's gold when you compare it to the alternative. Clean, fast, and shiny. > >> GTK, an integral part of gnome, works fine in FreeBSD. Instead of >> people just sitting on their butts and whining 'I need a GUI, I need >> things to click on, I want something that does stuff for me so I can >> be a freaking moron but still be able to brag about my uname -a on >> IRC', wouldn't it make sense to code one? > > It'd be better to start with something that's not GPLed, so that one > was > not planting yet another GPL poison pill within BSD. I and my > employees will > not even look at GPLed source, due to the legal problems this can > cause a > programmer who sometimes codes for money. Ack, thinks for pointing that out. I hadn't even considered that. Damn. Well, can you think of a better toolkit to use for this purpose? Are there any decent ones that aren't GPL'ed? Randi Harper sektie@freebsdgirl.com http://freebsdgirl.com
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