Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:03:17 -0700 From: Travis Cole <tcole@wcug.wwu.edu> To: Jeremiah Gowdy <jgowdy@home.com> Cc: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson <insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IRC Message-ID: <20000502000316.A24887@wcug.wwu.edu> In-Reply-To: <000f01bfb3f9$5db2f0e0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com>; from jgowdy@home.com on Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:43:38PM -0700 References: <20000501183644.A75942@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <20000501221654.A20589@wcug.wwu.edu> <000f01bfb3f9$5db2f0e0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com>
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On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:43:38PM -0700, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > I happen to share an office at work with the guy who got flamed and > > then kick banned on #FreeBSD. > > > > Yet another reason why I don't go to #FreeBSD any more. Its often > > times distressing how people can instantly turn against you there. > > > > :( > > Once again, let me spell it out for you guys. #freebsdhelp > Did you get that number ? Lemme share it again. #freebsdhelp. Just > because people are in a freebsd chat channel does not mean they should have > to endure massive amounts of repetitive questions. That's why there's a > help channel. Get a clue or stop complaining. There's also > www.defcon1.org, www.freebsd-howto.org, and www.freebsd.org/handbook > There's plenty of help out there without abusing the knowlegable people on > IRC, who want to come on IRC and talk to other knowlegable people without > being plagued by beginners. Those who CHOOSE to share their knowlege and > information with people are in #freebsdhelp. Well, the thing is neither I nor my coworker are FreeBSD or Unix newbies by any means. We are professional Sysadmins for a rather large internet company and are responsible for several hundred unix hosts, including many (more than 30) FreeBSD web servers. My point being we are not clueless newbies asking lame questions which are plainly documented in the FAQ or handbook. The answer to my coworkers questions were not documented in the FAQ, Handbook, LINT or any other remotely obvious place. Unfortunately the FreeBSD project is a bit slow on documenting what hardware is supported (yeah, I know I should quit bitching and help). So the only other way to answer such a question (is hardware product X supported) is to search the commit logs, which may or may not come up with your answer, grep the source which is also imperfect, or ask someone who may know because they are a member of the project (yes, also imperfect). #FreeBSD seems like a natural place to ask such a question since many project members spend time there. But that assumption is apparently quite wrong. Sorry, I won't make the mistake of asking questions on #FreeBSD no matter how intelligent or stupid they may be. Just a bit annoyed how people seem to assume one is a total Unix of FreeBSD newbie moron if they ask questions. Not just dumb questions, questions, any questions at all. -- --Travis "Linux is something for Windows haters, BSD is something for Unix lovers" (Heike S., Febr. 98) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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