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Date:      Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:28:19 -0800
From:      Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
To:        bsddiy@21cn.com
Cc:        nate@yogotech.com, asmodai@wxs.nl, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Re[2]: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]
Message-ID:  <20010315002819G.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
In-Reply-To: <1952303922.20010315090121@21cn.com>
References:  <15023.42384.196115.528084@nomad.yogotech.com> <20010314104836N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <1952303922.20010315090121@21cn.com>

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> JH> Our strategy has never been anything more "brilliant" than fixing
> JH> bugs, updating tools, writing drivers for new hardware
> 
> sigh, is this FreeBSD strategy? if there isn't innovate in FreeBSD in
> furture, I'd leave away now. :(

I think you're confused - please read what I said again.  I'm
describing a state of affairs, I'm not saying FreeBSD will never be
innovative.  I rather hope it will be, in fact.

Nate and I fundamentally disagree as to where one defines *any*,
operating system vendor as "innovative" today.  I don't happen to
think that any one of the mainstream players are truly innovative, not
Linux, not Microsoft, not Sun, not even BSD, and I don't care how many
times you rewrite the VM system or create new filesystems for any of
the above.

To do any of that is to simply *extend* things within your classic
design model, you're not doing the software equivalent of jumping from
incandescent to fluorescent lighting or going from piston to
jet-powered aircraft.  Those are the sorts of things I consider truly
worthy of the term "innovative" and that's all I've really been
arguing for the last few iterations here.  SMPng will be great stuff.
The merged VM/Buffer cache was great stuff when it came out.  I'm
pretty proud of the ports collection.  All of that was splendid
*evolution* in action and I think FreeBSD has a lot more evolving
ahead of it.  And that's the last I'll say on this whole sorry
subject - it's become largely a semantic argument. :-)

- Jordan

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