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Date:      Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:42:07 +0000
From:      Udo Erdelhoff <uerdelho@eu.uu.net>
To:        doc@FreeBSD.org
Cc:        Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de>, Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization
Message-ID:  <20010316104207.H24155@django.de.uu.net>
In-Reply-To: <20010315210350.A1113@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:03:50PM %2B0000
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On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:03:50PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:03:37PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 02:38:06AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > > If you've submitted stuff to the -doc list before and not had any fee=
dback
> > > then I'm sorry, but sometimes that's how things work.
> >=20
> > Yeah, that's what I told myself the first time a month's work went down
> > the drain. I still believed it the second time. By the third time, I to=
ok
> > the hint and stopped doing it.
>=20
> As already noted, you seem to have
> a good record of getting PRs committed.

That's no big surprise because I've learned to cheat: Find a committer,
pester him until he agrees to the proposed change, do the work, submit
the PR and voila, no more working for the trash can. No, that's not
the correct way to do things.

To answer your question: One of the trash can jobs was an answer to a
request in the Documentation Project Primer; two more were submitted
as a PR and rotted with a committer until somebody else needed the work
for a private project - PR was committed as a side effect after
something like 7 months. The rest was done after discussion on this
lists, taken up by committers and never heard of again.

> I am also *not* about to start pulling out stuff committed by other
> people because I don't have the time to go through it in detail.

This is an ... intresting statement; especially in combination with your
remarks about 'following up with Alex'. As of right now, I'm really glad
that we have a local repository and an established alternative location
of the FAQ.

> I'm not the only person on this list, and my occasional inabilities to
> reply to everyone I want to is in no way a barrier to anyone else on the
> list replying and offering constructive comment.

See below.

> "Interesting idea, but I don't have the time to look at it right now,
> please come back when I do" is also not going to encourage people to
> contribute.  If I have nothing constructive to add I try and stay away
> from the topic until I can.

If the discussion is on the list, that's one thing. If it's a mail to
you, a "Interesting, must look at it later" is way better than silence.

In this spirit I'll refrain from comments about the bibliography issue.
It's quite clear (to me, at least ;->) that we should agree to disagree
on this subject. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages;
right now I'm resting my case on the point that existing code is one of the
better arguments :->

/s/Udo
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