Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:33:26 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27709: [PATCH] WITHOUT_X is used by many ports, but not documented. Message-ID: <20010530043326.CC78C3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> In-Reply-To: <15124.28553.521171.74698@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on "Tue, 29 May 2001 22:56:57 -0500"
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Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> writes:
> Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> types:
> > I tend to agree with Pete here. It doesn't make sense to document it
> > unless all the ports which can be compiled either with or without X
> > use this hook.
>
> Which came first, the support or the documentation?
Ideally? The documentation. In reality, esp. in a volunteer project?
Probably the support. I don't think we'd have a flawless
multi-threaded kernel overnight if somebody documented it :-).
>
> If it's not documented, how are port maintainers going to know that
> they need to support it? How are users going to know that it should be
> supported, so they can report the lack of support to port maintainers?
> And so on.
>
> FWIW, I think the name should be WITHOUT_X, not WITHOUT_X11. Unless
> there are no X10 ports, and no chance of there ever being an X12.
I agree with your points in the paragraph above this one, but I'd like
to see at least *some* support from the ports team before we start
documenting it. At this point it may do more harm than good; what if
you chose the wrong hook? Also, it's one thing to document something
when 1% of the ports don't support it (e.g., PREFIX), and another when
50% of the ports don't support it (e.g., (WITHOUT|NO)_X(11)).
I guess what I'm saying is that there should at least be the *desire*
to support it before it's documented. (See my first paragraph in this
e-mail.)
Regards,
Dima Dorfman
dima@unixfreak.org
>
> <mike
>
> > Pete Fritchman <petef@databits.net> writes:
> > > The following reply was made to PR docs/27709; it has been noted by GNATS
> .
> > >
> > > From: Pete Fritchman <petef@databits.net>
> > > To: mwm@mired.org
> > > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
> > > Subject: Re: docs/27709: [PATCH] WITHOUT_X is used by many ports, but not
> doc
> > > umented.
> > > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:12:23 -0400
> > >
> > > The problem currently is that it's fairly inconsistent right now in the
> > > ports tree wrt WITHOUT_X and WITHOUT_X11 (just do a find /usr/ports
> > > -name Makefile -exec grep -H WITHOUT_X {} \; and you'll see all the
> > > instanaces). I *think* WITHOUT_X11 is the proper hook though.
> > >
> > > | --- share/man/man5/make.conf.5 Fri May 18 07:27:37 2001
> > > | +++ /tmp/make.conf.5 Mon May 28 10:08:14 2001
> > > | @@ -727,6 +727,10 @@
> > > | .Pq Vt bool
> > > | Set this if you are a resident of the USA so that ports that
> > > | need to can attempt to comply with U.S. export regulations.
> > > | +.It Va WITHOUT_X
> > > | +.Pq Vt bool
> > > | +Set this so that ports that can be built with or without X support wi
> ll build
> > > | +without X support by default.
> > > | .It Va WRKDIRPREFIX
> > > | .Pq Vt str
> > > | Where to create temporary files used when building ports.
> > > |
> > > | >Release-Note:
> > > | >Audit-Trail:
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> > > |
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> > > --
> > > Pete Fritchman <petef@databits.net>
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> > >
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