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Date:      Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:12:59 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        ray.kohler@mail.com
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Looks like (some) networking is broken
Message-ID:  <20010724191258.B39551@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <084423909011971FE8@mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com>; from rkohler1@cox.rr.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:12:25PM -0700
References:  <084423909011971FE8@mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com>

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:12:25PM -0700, Ray Kohler wrote:
> 7/24/01 5:04:04 PM, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> wrote:
>=20
> >On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:11:29PM -0400, Ray Kohler wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:52:32 -0700
> >> Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> wrote:
> >>=20
> >> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 06:47:04PM -0400, Ray Kohler wrote:
> >> >=20
> >> > > Something committed recently (within the last 24 hours) has broken
> >> > > networking for me. I can look hosts up just fine but can't connect
> >> > > to them (i. e. Netscape, ftp, telnet, etc sit at "connecting to xx=
x"
> >> > > or "trying xxx.xxx.x.xx"). Going back to yesterday's kernel build
> >> > > fixes the problem. If you want any more info from me then just ask.
> >> >=20
> >> > Did you make world along with your new kernel?  How about modules?
> >>=20
> >> Didn't make world, but did rebuild modules. (Not that I was using
> >> any relevant ones anyway, the only .ko I use is linux ;) And just
> >> for the record, I'm not using gif(4).
> >
> >You have to make world whenever you update your kernel sources.
>=20
> If a kernel change is that drastic then there ought to be a message in=20
> UPDATING. It shouldn't take an 8-hour process to (say) get a small=20
> bugfix in place. (And please do not just quote UPDATING to me, I've read =
it.)
> I don't want to sound like a troll or flamer but this has never been a ha=
rd=20
> requirement before and I don't see why it is now.

Wrong.

It's _always_ been the case that you'll have problems if you don't
keep your userland in sync with your kernel.  That's why all of the
documentation in the handbook about upgrading your system tells you to
do both.

Kris


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