Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:18:50 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org> To: Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org> Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern subr_prf.c src/sys/sys systm.h Message-ID: <20010910091850.A63536@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <20010910100051.6E0C238FF@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@wemm.org on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:00:51AM -0700 References: <20010910010642.A48947@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010910100051.6E0C238FF@overcee.netplex.com.au>
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:00:51AM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote:
> > > This hack brought to you by some questionable ``optimizations'' in gcc-3.
> > > gcc-3 takes it apon itself to convert:
> > > printf("string\n") -> puts("string");
> > > and:
> > > printf("a"); -> putchar('a')
> > > etc. I dont know what they've been smoking over there in gcc-land, but
> > > it must be pretty good stuff.
> >
> >
> > Please folks, don't do ANY gcc3 specific commits. I am working on our
> > upgrade and I need to be *totally* on top of what the compiler is doing
> > to us and how it affects us. Either I deal with this, or I pass the
> > torch on to others. There is plenty of work to go around in
> > FreeBSD'ville that people can just use the gcc 2.95.3 for now and work on
> > non-gcc3 issues.
>
> With this exception, the other changes I made were fixing existing problems
> that gcc-2.95.3 neglected to comment on. There are still macros with
> token concatenation bugs, and they are even bugs under 2.95.3. Are we not
> allowed to fix those just because gcc3 highlights them?
Aren't there other things you have interest to work on, than trampling on
my local changes? Due to the lack of people pitching in to work on GCC
for us (esp. the PITA aspects), it seems many consider working on GCC an
un-fun task. (the same for the lack of anyone updating amd and dhclient
and giving them attention) What I have asked for doing work that I also
don't consider to be the most fun, and not at all career building[*]; is
that people not tread on my work.
[*] nothing I have done for FreeBSD in the past 2 years has done anything
to improve my job skills. And frankly this greatly worries me in today's
market. At the same time I have seen my co-workers take the opportunity
to branch into new areas and make them a hot commodity in even today's
job market.
> And with all due respect to your testing procedures, it isn't exclusively
> your job to get the kernel to work with gcc-3.
Actually I thought it was -- because I cannot cut us over to a compiler
that does not build a working kernel+world. So I am on top of the
problems that come up with the new compiler.
You are changing the way the the tree builds (adding, subtracting)
options. I have some local GCC 3 changes, along with knowing about
certain affects of GCC 3. You are changing the way things I know things
be. I will not be chasing my tail when things change WRT gcc3 issues w/o
being aware of them. (And yes, I (along with a lot of committers I know)
no longer have time to read every commit message. I like many others
scan the subject to see if it is something I should read.)
> If you can land a valid compiler in the tree then you have succeeded.
> The rest of the tree can attend to itself - that is why our project is
> distributed.
That certainly isn't how it has worked in the past. When I cut us over
to GCC 2.95 and there was a build problem, people were certainly emailing
me wondering when I was going to fix the build -- since it broke with a
commit by me.
> Heck, when you get the damn thing imported, I'll buy you a round (or six)
> at a decent pub.
Heck, you have been the hold up on this for 2 weeks. I've been trying to
talk to you what we wanted to do about the src/contrib/gcc repo so I
could import.
--
-- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)
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