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Date:      Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:32:54 +0200
From:      Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix
Message-ID:  <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr>
In-Reply-To: <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 02:17:50AM -0800
References:  <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com>

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Terry Lambert said on Apr  2, 2002 at 02:17:50:
> > > Without the Netscape connection, it fails to support Java.
> > 
> > Where did you get that idea?
> 
> The Mozilla website.

URL, please?

I had a look at the release notes for 0.9.9 and what I found was,

  Mozilla has been tested with all 1.3.0_* versions of the JRE, and JRE
  1.3.1, and beta versions of JDK 1.4. J2SE releases previous to
  1.3.0_01 will not work with Mozilla .

(http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.9/#java)

It doesn't seem quite the same as what you're saying...
To install the default plugin, all you have to do is go to a page
which requires java, and it will prompt you to download the plugin,
and then it will download and install the plugin for you.  That's it.
If you prefer the IBM plugin you have to do it yourself but it's
pretty easy.

It does say Java isn't working yet on Mac OS X, however.

 
> > > But it's binary.  And it's supported.  And it's not explicitly
> > > labelled as "for testing purposes only!" on the download lead-in
> > > page.
> > 
> > What exactly does "supported" mean?  When it crashes, do they come and
> > hold your hand?
> 
> Yes, for a fee.

That was a rhetorical question.  The real question is, do they fix it
for you so that it doesn't crash?  If they do that, why does it
continue to crash for everyone else, and if they don't, what are you
paying them for?  Surely not for installing and re-installing the
software, which is easy.

Incidentally, if you want a good browser on your Solaris or AIX
workstation, surely the right people to ask are Sun and IBM -- it's
their job to provide one.  It could be mozilla, or it could be
something else (Sun is planning to supply a GNOME 2 desktop, so I
guess they'll support galeon then).  If you want a third-party
browser, a system administrator who's interested in his users' welfare
would pick a good browser and not just one which is "supported", or
nobody would be using FreeBSD, we'd all be using Microsoft products.

R

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