Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: James Michael DuPont <mdupont777@yahoo.com> To: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> Cc: des@ofug.org, s337240@student.uq.edu.au, tedm@toybox.placo.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, djohnson@acuson.com, stuyman@confusion.net Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Message-ID: <20020627104644.22223.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3D1AE711.50DB6CB0@mindspring.com>
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> I think you meant ASTs (Abstract Syntax Tree, plural)? Sorry, yes. > > I am getting hostile mails from the gcc/fsf group. > > Unless you are quoting a post that you made previously (and you > aren't) I don't understand the relevence. I also don't understand > why you would get email complaining about the code. The problem is that the GCC team does not want to support and XML interface, their argument is that a GDBM dump of the tree data is protectable via some strange arguments. See http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=20020624100433.79219.qmail%40web13301.mail.yahoo.com or http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=20020301114404.74579.qmail%40web13301.mail.yahoo.com > However, any code you want to add to GCC is going to have to go > through the FSF gatekeepers, so you are probably out of luck. I > personally would publicize the issue. Yes, I have setup a sourceforge project and have a patch to the gcc. > But I personally don't see how this is a FreeBSD-advocacy issue; > probably you wanted FreeBSD-chat? The FreeBSD-advocacy list is > about advocating FreeBSD, not about getting FreeBSD people to > advocate things on your behalf. 8-). I repsponded to this thread: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=0+0+archive/2001/freebsd-advocacy/20010225.freebsd-advocacy > FWIW, I like the idea of being able to parse a program into a > data dictionary, and regenerate the code. THis is how most of > the COBOL Y2K conversion software was written, and if it were > generalized, it should allow source translation of code, which > is always a neat thing. Yes, and there are many interesting projects that do this. > > It seems that there are not any real rules on this, > > only FUD and opinions from the side of the people trying to stop > all > > "Dangerous" patches to the gcc. > > > > I will be meeting with rms about this soon and need to know his > > arguments from the past. He has sent me almost identical mails as > well, > > I think that I will have to fight over this. > > I've done one or two things that have gotten me email from RMS > in the past. I think that the answer is that you need to read > the GNU Manifesto to understand where he is coming from. That is a good idea. > > Please tell me on what is going on with this issue, > > I would like some advice on what my options are. > > Read the Manifesto. If the condemning letters are from RMS > himself, he likely understands exactly what you intend to do, > and has extrapolated the long term consequences in a binary > decision based on whether it promotes or does not promote the > GNU Manifesto. > Your only argument that could convince him > has to do with the long term consequences, as they apply to > forwarding or at least not hindering the goals of the FSF. My project will help the users of free software and help the gcc. > > Is is not funny how the GCC people did not try and bury this guys > > attempt at the same : > > http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2001-08/msg00696.html > > “I'm writing a backend for GCC to compile to Java bytecode, and I'm > > having some problems with function calls." > > > > http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2001-08/msg00696.html > > this mail got him help from the compiler team. > > Duplicate URLs... Intentional? Sorry, the original was : http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2001-08/msg00407.html Also See the thread from Trent : http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2001-02/msg00895.html > > http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ > > It looks like what you are doing is intentionally to interoperate > with Microsoft's .NET; so RMS's being reticent is understandable, > given his platform and view from there. I am not to interoperate with .NET, that is the DOTGNU project. I would like to create a free set of tools, and have no problem putting them under the GPL, the gcc people have a problem with the extraction of the compiler internal data. > PS: If you want to get FreeBSD folks on your bandwagon, fine, bur > like I said above, this probably belongs in FreeBSD-chat, and if > you really want the FreeBSD folks to listen to you, you may want > to think about making the front page of your project site accessible > to a browser other than Internet Explorer or a "view source" in > Netscape... Ooop... I will try and fix the html, I use opera and mozilla, it works ok... :( I will be redoing that page, it is hopelessly out of date :( Regards, mike ===== James Michael DuPont http://introspector.sourceforge.net/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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