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Date:      Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:25:02 +0200
From:      Alexey Zelkin <phantom@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Greg Lewis <glewis@eyesbeyond.com>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>, Mikhail Kruk <meshko@cs.brandeis.edu>, java@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: wake up call for Sun?
Message-ID:  <20021030182502.A52856@phantom.cris.net>
In-Reply-To: <20021030151812.A30986@misty.eyesbeyond.com>; from glewis@eyesbeyond.com on Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:18:12PM %2B1030
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210291835380.2712-100000@iole.cs.brandeis.edu> <20021030142457.A30528@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <15807.23103.607937.532250@emerger.yogotech.com> <20021030151812.A30986@misty.eyesbeyond.com>

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hi,

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:18:12PM +1030, Greg Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:04:15PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote:
> > > I read the same thing, but I wasn't quite sure what he was driving at.
> > > As I recall the slide mentioned something about threading problems.
> > > So, either they were using the Linux version and HotSpot was crashing
> > > or they wanted to use the native version on an SMP box and use some sort
> > > of kernel threading so it would use all of the processors.
> > 
> > For scalability purposes, they would need 'native' FreeBSD threads.  The
> > linux thread stuff works, but doesn't scale more.
> 
> True.  I note that there is now a KSE based pthreads library in -CURRENT.
> This will eventually become the target for the JDK, which will hopefully
> address a lot of issues in this regard.

Yep. It will help a lot, but...

* Only after it get into usable shape (it's pretty expiremental now)
* Only after signaling become working (not yet implmeneted)
* Only after 5.x-RELEASE become real and stable release (not early than
6 months from now, per current estimates)
* And last, assuming KSE stuff working as expected (looks promising and quite
real)

> > Plus, the person who was pushing the effort was a big PHP fan, so there
> > was little liklihood Java would have been chosen.
> 
> I'm actually a pretty big fan of PHP for web based stuff myself :).  It
> has several problems, but I find it very good for what it was designed 
> to do.


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