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Date:      Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:41:34 +1030
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Magnus =?iso-8859-1?B?QuRja3N0cvZt?= <b@etek.chalmers.se>
Cc:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object
Message-ID:  <20030205021134.GO12525@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0302041751160.81613-100000@scrooge.etek.chalmers.se>
References:  <4.3.2.7.2.20030204094350.027e9e00@localhost> <Pine.BSF.4.44.0302041751160.81613-100000@scrooge.etek.chalmers.se>

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On Tuesday,  4 February 2003 at 18:56:38 +0100, Magnus  Bäckström wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Brett Glass wrote:
>> At 03:35 AM 2/4/2003, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
>>
>>> ....I am not a member of the core team.  Nor do I wish to become
>>> one - I could never put up with all the shit they get flung at
>>> them.
>>
>> Could this be part of the problem: That the current organizational
>> structure is such that some people who should be on -core do not
>> wind up there, while others who should not be there do?
>>
>> Running -core as a closed, secret cabal certainly does not help.
>> More open governance would be a vast improvement.

This is obviously a matter of perspective.  For better or worse, the
FreeBSD project has a hierarchy of members.  Those with commit bits
were informed in some detail.  We made a decision, based at least
partially on dillon's right to privacy, not to paste it all over
slashdot, for example.  Those of you who are not committers lose out.
Sorry.  That doesn't make us closed.

> I would consider a more open governance to be harmful.  Things would
> get bogged down in discussions fed by the opinions of the whole
> populace (review current thread) whereas what is needed is indeed a
> closed group, appointed by those most involved, on whatever merits
> those most involved see fit, for whatever directing purpose they see
> fit.

This is another reason.  This incident has generated enough traffic
already.  I've counted a total of over 500 messages on this subject
already, not including the stuff on slashdot.

Greg
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