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Date:      Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:43:05 -0400
From:      Wesley Shields <wxs@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Dan Allen <danallen46@airwired.net>
Cc:        Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@optushome.com.au>, Randy Pratt <bsd-unix@embarqmail.com>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Brian <brian@brianwhalen.net>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content
Message-ID:  <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org>
In-Reply-To: <B1F9E128-A66F-4A5A-BBA1-A016F4ECDF77@airwired.net>
References:  <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <DC1CA362-09F3-4D85-BE20-776A133FD3D6@airwired.net> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <B1F9E128-A66F-4A5A-BBA1-A016F4ECDF77@airwired.net>

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On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote:
> 
> On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:54 PM, Brian wrote:
> 
> > I always do the minimal install over the net.  I got X working in 7- 
> > stable by doing the minimal install, then the following.
> >
> > pkg_add -r xorg
> > pkg_add -r portupgrade
> > portupgrade -NRP kde
> > pkg_add -r tightvnc.
> 
> On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:59 PM, Randy Pratt wrote:
> 
> > The ports/packages are actually not part of FreeBSD but are third- 
> > party
> > applications.  I've often thought that the packages on the  
> > installation
> > disks should really be split to a separate project which produces
> > package disks.  This would lessen the burden on the Release Engineers
> > and perhaps the cycle time between releases.  It should also be
> > noted that the useful life of a package is limited and outdated very
> > quickly.
> 
> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, which may be  
> the way to go.
> 
> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are net-centric (like  
> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer.  No ports  
> databases, no packages on the discs.  A few packages may be useful  
> (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need the net to be  
> useful.

No thanks.  This means you have to have a working connection to install
firefox via this method.  Since not everyone will have that it is still
necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right
back to the very issue you are trying to solve.

-- WXS



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