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Date:      Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:49:10 -0800
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Kevin Van Maren <vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu>, committers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Swat teams (was: problem reports) 
Message-ID:  <28050.913254550@zippy.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:50:25 %2B1030." <19981210115025.E12688@freebie.lemis.com> 

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> 1.  I would doubtless have answered many PRs instead of doing the work
>     I should be, *if* I knew how to do it.  Where's the FM?

I thought that was your job, Mr Author. :) Certainly nobody else
around here seems to be writting FMs and it's probably silly to even
hope that they will.  I'd sooner wait for Godot than for the various
folks here to write lots of docs.

> 2.  Asking people to join -committers may be the wrong way round.
>     Find somebody who wants do join, and say ``OK, first your
>     apprenticeship: 1000 bug reports well answered'' :-)

This usually works, but sometimes you have to get more insistent,
especially when the person in question is accumulating a backlog of
open PRs.

> 3.  Somebody (probably you) needs to keep an eye on the bugs and see
>     that the important ones are recognized as important, and that they
>     get fixed.  At the moment, any fool can put in a ``system down,

I try, but there are a lot of freakin' PRs here and I'm not enough of
a kernel hacker to commit the scarier looking ones myself.  Also,
every time I do, Bruce yells at me about a misplaced tab or some sort
of similar criminal negligence. :-)

>     installing Linux emulation.  Others may think little of that the
>     fact that NFS is so unreliable that you can't do a ``make world''
>     on an NFS mounted file system.  Clearly there needs to be a

It's not that unreliable.  I do this all the time.  But yes, NFS needs
lots of other things fixed.

> 4.  One way to at least raise the awareness of the problem is to have
>     a bugfixers mailing list, one of whose members is cvs-all.  Sure,

That's sort of what committers is already supposed to do.

> necessary documentation, but somewhere the Core Team needs to be
> involved.

Doing what?

- Jordan

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