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Date:      Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:34:06 -0700
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Mike Silbersack <silby@silby.com>, hawkeyd@visi.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: ftp and mail much slower into fbsd 4.4 vs and old BSDi
Message-ID:  <3D20D8DE.2D07022D@mindspring.com>
References:  <20020701134833.E24940-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com>

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Doug Barton wrote:
> > I guess you missed the part where I said that FreeBSD had bugs, and
> > Matt Dillon posted patches?
> 
> Nope. I think you missed the part where I said I was talking about
> reality, not theory. :)  The reality is, it's broken now, and in my
> experience, turning it off makes the system "work better."
> 
> I agree that it should be fixed in the long term, but it ain't gonna be me
> that fixes it.

Then use Dillon's patches, instead of just turning it off.  Your
anecdotal experience with "works better" is just that -- anecdotal.
It doesn't hold for the general case.

I guess the problem is that the patches are not committed to the
version of FreeBSD you are using, and you are unwilling to upgrade,
and unwilling to go look where I tell you to go look?

This was only 7 months ago, people!

For those people who are unable to search list archives themselves,
because they don't know how to ask search engines questions, or
whatever, here is a reference to Dillon's patch:

http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=881527+0+archive/2001/freebsd-hackers/20011202.freebsd-hackers

Now *QUIT* turning off NewReno, it's *not* doing what you *think*
it's doing, and doing something without understanding why it
*appears* to work is as bad as waving a dead chicken over the
server to keep away denial of service attacks!  Sheesh!

-- Terry

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