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Date:      Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:32:54 -0600
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        Phil Regnauld <regnauld@ftf.net>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Oh my, penguins are a'comin': DebianBSD
Message-ID:  <4.2.0.58.19990720092854.00a91100@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <19990720171033.10907@ns.int.ftf.net>

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This has been talked about many times before, and -- yes -- it is
a real danger. The best way to nip such things in the bud is to
make FreeBSD development more open (the circle of developers
currently works and acts too much like a secret cabal),
become more evangelical and inclusive, and get more third-party
software support. Then, FreeBSD as an effort would *recruit* the 
people who are interested in it rather than merely arousing their 
interest but leaving them in the Linux camp.

--Brett Glass

At 05:10 PM 7/20/99 +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote:
>         Someone wake me up from this nightmare.
>
>------- Forwarded Message
>
>From: Gary Kline <kline@tao.thought.org>
>Subject: Re: The project
>To: hamish@debian.org (Hamish Moffatt)
>Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT)
>Cc: debian-bsd@lists.debian.org
>
> > That's a fine idea, but my response is always: to whom would this be valuable?
> > What is the target audience of the "Debian GNU/FreeBSD" system? Are you hoping
> > to convert Debian GNU/Linux users, or FreeBSD users?
> > 
> > > I started with a freshly installed FreeBSD 3.2 system. The standard
> > > distribution of FreeBSD sucks (IMO of course, but since this is a Debian
> > 
> > Well, I'd be interested to know what you think sucks so that we can justify
> > our efforts in the future. I think there are some good things and some
> > bad things. I don't like the way that FreeBSD packages don't make an effort
> > to configure themselves for your system, for one thing.
> > 
> > 
>
>         Lest we (this list) get carried away in self-flagellation or
>         in circular debates over the GPL/BSD licenses, let's agree on
>         the many strengths of each ``side.'' --And I do not see BSD
>         and Linux as *sides*, but participants in the larger open-source
>         tide, BTW.
>
>         Both Debian and BSD share more good points than have opposing, 
>         I think.  If the aim of a DebianBSD is to create an open-source
>         system with a superior kernel, then the present FreeBSD effort
>         has that.  It stands up to massive loads ...   And if an aim
>         is to integrate the unqualified Best software (free or commercial),
>         anything GNU  is strictly first-rate.  
>
>         I think that over time (months to a few years) a DebianBSD
>         distribution would attract newer and seasoned users from every
>         corner.  Nobody who is hardcore BSD or hardcore Debian is going
>         to be `converted' ... and that's fine.  
>
>         A DBSD would shrinkwrap the best of both.
>
>
>         gary
>
>
>
> > 
>
>
>- -- 
>    Gary D. Kline         kline@tao.thought.org          Public service Unix
>
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