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Date:      Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:30:04 -0600
From:      Chip Morton <tech_info@threespace.com>
To:        FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive   Copyright ]
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At 01:56 PM 2/23/2003, Darren Henderson wrote:
>"jive" was as much a dialect as any other popular vernacular is for its
>time. Its certainly not based of a centuries old stereotype. Its more
>recent then hippie/flower child speak, beatnik, etc. And its no different
>then the vernacular of present day MTV, hip-hop, or club crowd (insert
>any subculture here that you like [subculture being a component of the
>whole culture not a diminutive]).

This is not true.  "Jive" was originally a form of swing-out style dancing 
that originated around the turn of the century and became immensely popular 
during the big jazz explosion of the 20's.  Since both the dance style and 
the music were born in the African-American community, the term "jive" is 
inextricably associated with African-Americans, despite the fact that the 
current usage has spread around the world.  (See 
http://www.centralhome.com/ballroomcountry/swing.htm and 
http://ky.essortment.com/historyofjive_rklw.htm for more information.)

The re-emergence of the term in the 70's in many black sitcoms (e.g., "Good 
Times" and "The Jeffersons") only helped to solidify that association.  But 
the term existed long before hippies and beatniks to be sure.

--Chip Morton


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