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Date:      Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:33:56 +0200 
From:      K.J.Koster@kpn.com
To:        znerd@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        java@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   RE: Sun License for JDK 1.4 forces automatic updates ?!!
Message-ID:  <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA95B@l04.research.kpn.com>

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Dear All,

> 
> It seems the license for J2SE 1.4 SDK is quite intrusive. Sun allows 
> themselves to automatically install updates to the JDK!
> 
> See:
> http://hal.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~nrs27/java_eula.html
>
Interesting. Could someone please post this on Slashdot? While they are
updating it, could they please fix the problem's we're seeing in the
Linuxulator and 1.4?

>
> This sounds a scary to me. Looks like Sun is thinking: If 
> Microsoft can get away with it, so can we.
>
I guess we knew it all along, but it was never this obvious: Sun ==
Microsoft, only for UNIX. :-)

>
> I believe we should consider banning the Sun JDK 1.4 for Linux.
>
Uhm... on what grounds, precisely? If someone wants to install this kit they
need to accept the license themselves. It is your own responsibility to read
and understand the licenses you accept. You are free not to install the 1.4
release.

We could debate the need for an additional warning about this in the
post-install message. On second thought: if the user accepted the license
without reading it, would he or she read the post-install message? I really
doubt it.

I think that posts on -java, slashdot and daily daemonnews will raise
awareness. Other than that, this is an issue between Java and it's users.
Nothing for FreeBSD to mix with.

I agree with you that they are crossing into my personal space here and I
will read the license agreements from Sun next time. This is one to think
about.

    Kees Jan

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