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Date:      Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:30:07 +0000
From:      "Frank Pawlak" <fpawlak@execpc.com>
To:        Malartre <malartre@aei.ca>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>
Cc:        Wolfram Schneider <wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: New home page design
Message-ID:  <980625023007.ZM14799@darkstar.connect.com>
In-Reply-To: Malartre <malartre@aei.ca> "Re: New home page design" (Jun 24,  7:50pm)
References:  <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>  <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au>  <359190DD.9EFC0AE5@aei.ca>

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On Jun 24,  7:50pm, Malartre wrote:
> Subject: Re: New home page design
> Sue Blake wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote:
> > > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html
> > > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber.
> > >
> > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook
> > > buttons. Comments?
> >
> > I think they're handy... if I'm seeing what you're referring to.
> > It's good to have all those links on the first page. I have observed a
> > few difficulties though:
> >
> > The list box for the countries appears half way down the main body of
> > text, obscuring part of the paragraph which comes before "Easy to install"
> >
> > The links on the left might be easier to read of they had bullets or some
> > kind of separator. For example, it's hard to get the meaning when I see:
> >
> > ...
> >  Getting
> > FreeBSD
> >  Installation
> >  Supported
> > Hardware
> >  Current Releases
> >  Ported
> > Applications
> >  Commercial
> > Documents
> > ...
> >
> > My browser seems to have been prevented from displaying this page
> > optimally. All the text is bunched up on the left, and the entire right
> > half of the browser window is glaring white space. The old page did not
> > cause this to happen.
> >
> > On another machine, I can only see the column on the left and half of
> > each line of text on the right unless I keep scrolling left and right.
> > Again, this did not happen with the old page.
> >
> > We have discussed the cause and its simple solution a million times.
> >
> > Content is *the* most important consideration (and it's good), however we
> > are supposed to be an organisation that has slightly higher than average
> > technical competence. I'm not attracted to an operating system written by
> > someone who doesn't appear to have overcome the beginner's misconception
> > that HTML controls screen layout. Unless you provide me with the hardware
> > that the page was designed for, you have no way of knowing what my screen
> > can do or how my browser has been configured to display HTML.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >         -*Sue*-
> >
> I think that my and your version is broken. I really understand the
> point of Sue now. After a lot of mail ;-) There is many thing I could
> explain on why FreeBSD.ORG should never use something like that.
> I propose a new solution.
> No right and left table. No text on the first page. Except for news.
> The ¾ of the FreeBSD.ORG main page is text for new user. But I think
> than that text have nothing to do on the first page. *Maybe* a little
> text like on the current linux.org site who explain very basic line of
> the product. (check "What is Linux" on the main page, also the "more"
> button). I dont like the linux.org page to :-).

Just as I was going to recommend that the linux.org page was a great example of
a well designed web page, along comes a critic.  That's what makes this world
so interesting, thes various individual tastes in things aesthetic.  I think
that linux.org has the right blend of color, text and buttons.  The page is
very easy to navigate and locate what ever you want to know about Linux.

I think that would be a good page to emulate.  Can well do without all the
penguins on the backdrop however.  Even having that much of the BSD Daemon is a
bit much.

Frank

>If new users wants
> information, they should click on that little text or on a "New User
> FAQ" or a "You want to know what FreeBSD is?" button. Or a complete New
> User section.
> All the FreeBSD.ORG main page should be link and news. Like the
> digital.com page but without java and so much graphics. And with more
> links. I dont think FreeBSD.ORG is consulted by a majority of people who
> dont know FreeBSD, but by FreeBSD user who need something from the
> FreeBSD page. Of course, there would be a major link for new user or
> people who want to know more.
>
> A more simple page and a concise/global view. Maybe even classified like
> the yahoo! page. Yahoo! rules :-)
>
> Cya
> Malartre
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