Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:53:09 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> Cc: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu Message-ID: <C26CCFD0-8C9C-4E9E-827B-96F8F8D95B28@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <515694A9-3D0F-4150-8865-F518072C5EC6@fisglobal.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <5071D6B5.1010609@FreeBSD.org> <B4A82131-4B11-4FE8-839B-FCC45C1D4445@fisglobal.com> <50726C73.10506@FreeBSD.org> <D776ABE7-6C46-4C66-8C6E-159BCD61761F@fisglobal.com> <50732CB1.9080900@gmx.de> <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com> <CAGH67wQKUvbB1TNJofA6_qXhkxqC_At_Fmg8fcqswj_exBxBFQ@mail.gmail.com> <515694A9-3D0F-4150-8865-F518072C5EC6@fisglobal.com>
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On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > =85Re-adding the list=85 (good point) >=20 > On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >=20 >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Devin Teske = <devin.teske@fisglobal.com> wrote: >>> =85Re-adding the list=85 >>>=20 >>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote: >>>=20 >>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" = on-screen is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that = some keyboards may not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but = indeed "Delete" is worse because the implied connotation associated with = the "Delete" key (_someone_ might be confused into thinking "Delete" = will purge the menu from memory). >>>>>=20 >>>>> I will play with keycodes. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad = suggestion (read why below). >>>>>=20 >>>>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather = unfortunately -- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", = "up-arrow", "down-arrow", "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", = "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: it doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", = "F14", "F15", or "F16"). >>>>>=20 >>>>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using = them instead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when = those keys are pressed). >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry? >>>> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms = (intel/appel/ppc/sparc ...) >>>>=20 >>>> Anyway nice work :) >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> By golly, I think olli is on to something here! >>>=20 >>> What does everybody think about space? >>>=20 >>> I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by = anything else). >>=20 >> It was used once upon a time to pause the bootloader countdown=85 >=20 > Well=85 that hasn't *really* been true since r222417 (16+ months ago). >=20 > Ever since r222417, *any/all* keys will kill the countdown-to-boot. >=20 > Since you mention it, I think it's worth mentioning that SPACE is = still looking like a good choice=85 >=20 > At the main-menu, space is not hooked into anything so it retains its = legacy of "press SPACE to stop the countdown" meanwhile, submenus are = free to use SPACE because by the time they've reached *any* submenu, the = countdown has already been killed. This will be too confusing for users. Space usually means 'select the = current menu item' along with Return. It doesn't mean in any system = I've ever used 'go back' (with the exception of space selecting a drawn = button that says back). Warner
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