Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch <lynch@rush.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: dyson@iquest.net, chris@netmonger.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Guess we've lost the server market too...? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9903052359140.506-100000@bytor.rush.net> In-Reply-To: <43602.920537678@zippy.cdrom.com>
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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > It is time for the low-life "in your face" attitude that alot of the
> > Linux crew has had for a long time.
>
> Completely disagree. Many of the Linux people are strident and
> intolerable only because they don't know any better. We do know
> better and for us it would be abandoning the high road and most of our
> personal principles for some purely hypothetical short-term gain in
> mind share. Of course, by the time we got those users we'd find that
> our former users had left us in disgust and it wouldn't be a big gain
> so much as a trade.
Thanks, I think this was my point, that we can gain those users
but a different type of "marketing" alot of people that were jumping on
the bandwagon with linux have changed to FreeBSD when they met someone who
recommended it. I know three or 4 that are close friends of mine off the
top of my head. There is a revolution, and believe it or not, linux seems
to the gateway to FreeBSD.
> Do you know how many people (linux users) have
> approached us at Linux World to say that they appreciate a voice of
> reason amongs all the screaming young advocates there, somebody to add
> a little *balance*? Did you read ;login this month? There's an
> interesting rant by a Linux advocate about how much he hates everything
> you and Brett have been suggesting WRT the foaming edge of advocacy.
> If you haven't read it, I suggest it.
>
It was kind of neat to be at USENIX with the FreeBSD crowd, within the
technical crowd, we had a REALLY good showing last summer. there were
about 50 hardcore freebsd people that all went out to dinner and got
ripped off, and a bunch of linux folks that were genuinely interested in
what we were doing.
> Do we need better advocacy? Of course, that's a boolean constant.
> Are we making progress with this? Yes. More than ever before, in
> fact. I'm not spending this week in San Jose for my health, ya
> know. :) Do we need an advocate corps of trolls, flamers and blatant
> scam-debate marketslimers on our side to do this? Most definitely
> not.
>
I think those types are really annoying, I think slow but steady
progress is better than a bunch of fanatics. To just give you a few
examples of the stupidity of some fanatics that worship the Icons of Free
Software (tm), Me and my girlfriend, also involved in FreeBSD advocacy,
were
walking down Decatur in New Orleans at USENIX, and a geek runs up to us,
running and trying to find RMS, frantically. He said "Did you see Stallman
anywhere?", and my response was "Why would I notice another Dirty Hippie
on the streets of New Orleans". Noone ran after Jordan that way at USENIX,
but many people got a chance to sit down with him and talk on a social
*and* technical level (I being one of them).
I mean these people just *blindly* follow these people. Do I want people
like this involved in FreeBSD advocacy, not really. Like I said, slow but
steady progress, and the slowness is the price to pay for keeping our IQ
level up.
> Remember the old "we had to destroy the village in order to save it"
> quote from Vietnam? That's the kind of insane logic trap I think
> this discussion's now heading in.
>
> - Jordan
>
Thanks.
-Pat
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Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net
Systems Administrator Rush Networking
"Wow, everyone looks different in Real Life (tm)"-
Nathan Dorfman meeting people at FUNY
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