Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:32:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Mayo <mark@quickweb.com> To: Dennis <dennis@etinc.com> Cc: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" <karl@mcs.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ISDN Compression Load on CPU Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.91.960523231155.15797A-100000@scooter.quickweb.com> In-Reply-To: <199605232309.TAA29413@etinc.com>
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On Thu, 23 May 1996, Dennis wrote:
>
whole pile of stuff snipped...
>
> ones that work.
>
>
> >Show up at a public peering point with one of these "routers" and see how
>
> >many of the real players will trust the data coming from that hacked gated
> >and will peer freely with you. Then look at the thrash rate and explain how
> >you think you can route under convergence situations with anything
> >approaching a real (as in 34 - 45mbps HSSI-class) load without melting
> >completely.
>
> as i said, your not mainstream. We're talking about low-end routers here and
> your talking about backgone T3 switches.
Just for the record, here at the University of Waterloo, we're writing
high-speed ATM code - we write the stuff first on a machine (which
cost < $6000) running on FreeBSD... let's see you (Karl) show up at one of
our design meetings with your pitiful hardware... you'd be asked to leave
the room very quickly.
The FreeBSD pentium is routing with data transfers upwards of 850 mbps.
When the code works on the bsd box, we move to the ATM hardware and test.
The point being, the hardware you cling to is shit. I can wire together
a software solution that is about 6 years ahead of Cisco et. al. on a
'Free' operating system for very low cost. As you dig deeper into
routing, you'll find the big boys are simply scared little children
clinging to their old world knowledge.
I'm not disagreeing with Karl about using good "hardware" in an ISP
situation - but you have no ground to stand on when it comes to bandwidth
loads. I run Warfleet routers, and I love the Ascend ISDN solutions .. I
run a Pipeline 50 on my local lan at home - works like a charm! But the
bottom line for many small ISP's is simply this: get the job done for the
lowest possible cost. And 'software' solutions can be very attractive.
Gated is a nice little package for example that can route very high loads
(easilt handle a few T1s) for almost no cost.
ANyways,
I enjoyed watching you two argue over this!! Bottom line for me: if I buy
from big boys, it's for the support, not for performance. I
liked it when HP showed up at my office with a fully up to date copy of
our fileserver -- 1 hour after the building burned to the ground! :-)
Ya get what ya pay for!
-Mark
:%t$sig -- Oops, thought I was in vi..
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