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Date:      Wed, 23 May 2001 20:17:55 -0400
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Subject:   Re: [dn-core] Re: Perens' "Free Software Leaders Stand Together"
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I'm not sure I see the difference.  You have to figure that if he thinks 
Mach is crap, and MacOS X is derived from Mach, then he thinks that MacOS X 
is crap.  It's like saying "He didn't call Pavarotti stupid.  He said 
Italians are stupid."  Let's not ignore the context of the quotation.

Besides, I don't think anyone is faulting Mr. Torvalds for having his 
opinion.  But his public handling of it is still pretty poor given his 
status and the weight his comments carry.

--Chip Morton

At 06:32 PM 5/23/2001, Shannon wrote:
>He did not call MacOS X crap. He said Mach was crap:
>         "Frankly, I think it's a piece of crap," Torvalds says of
>         Mach, the microkernel on which Apple's new operating system
>         is based. "It contains all the design mistakes you can make,
>         and manages to even make up a few of its own."
>I've read kernel list messages were Linus and other kernel hackers
>talked about how much BSD or other OS did something better, and what
>they needed to do to fix that problem. That he (Linus) doesn't like Mach
>is nothing new. I think I've even heard a few BSD people criticize Mach
>over the years.
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