Skip site navigation (1)Skip section navigation (2)
Date:      Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:53:49 -0700
From:      Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>
To:        Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>
Cc:        arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Fallout from the CVS discussion
Message-ID:  <20120915205349.GF34563@elvis.mu.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAF6rxg=qVUHe7tc9_AXgRdUtkoHOrixwNw-GsN7C7_r0FR990A@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <CAF6rxg=qVUHe7tc9_AXgRdUtkoHOrixwNw-GsN7C7_r0FR990A@mail.gmail.com>

next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
This sounds like a plan.

I apologize if my mail wasn't clear, it was jokish in nature.

To clarify: I firmly support removal of CVS from HEAD.

I'm also a bit troubled that something that makes so much
sense blew up into such a large discussion.

-Alfred

* Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com> [120915 13:39] wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> After the 90+ email thread this is my take on the CVS discussion:
> 
> Here is a summary of people that support CVS's removal now:
> 
> Eitan Adler
> Peter Jeremy
> Bryan Drewery
> Tim Kientzle
> Poul-Henning Kamp
> Joel Dahl
> Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav
> Paul Schenkeveld
> Baptiste Daroussin
> Doug Barton
> Lars Engels
> Markiyan Kushnir
> 
> Here is a summary of people that support CVS's eventual removal, but
> want to wait for some time:
> 
> Warner Losh
> Erich Dollansky
> Bjoern A. Zeeb
> Garance A Drosehn
> 
> Here is a summary of people that prefer not to remove CVS at all (or
> at least, specifically not for 10.0):
> 
> Olli Hauer
> Julian H. Stacey
> 
> Here are people that commented, whose opinion I did not see stated:
> 
> Lev Serebryakov
> Glen Barber
> Ian Lepore
> Adrian Chadd
> Giovanni Trematerra
> Alfred Perlstein
> Jeffrey Bouquet
> Marius Strobl
> 
> I believe the overwhelming majority of people commenting support the
> removal of CVS from base at some point before 10.0. As such I think it
> is correct to do so.
> 
> I see following reasons to keep CVS brought up in the :
> 
> - we still have some CVS infrastructure
> - lots of users still use the CVS infrastructure
> - Some users rely on CVS on machines which can't install ports
> - We don't have a complete subversion infrastructure ready
> - CVS has been traditionally installed on unix systems
> 
> However, -CURRENT is not meant to be a production system. Users
> running -current are expected to follow the mailing lists, debug
> systems, and deal with tool changes. In particular these are the exact
> users capable of dealing with the above issues. In addition waiting to
> remove CVS delays the amount of time users will have to learn the "new
> world order," to find hidden dependencies on CVS, etc. There is a port
> (and package) available for CVS. CVS is not something not ordinarily
> needed by embedded systems, so concerns about the inability to use
> ports are minimal.
> 
> My plan is to wait for some of the existing objections to be solved
> and then go ahead with the removal.
> 
> In particular I will not remove CVS until
> 
> (a) Documentation has been updated to the new svn for src, ports, www and doc
> (b) We create a 'changes between 9 and 10 list' and put this removal on it.
> In particular this document should well advertised (and possibly be a
> subset of the release notes)
> (c) We are sure the svn mirrors are sufficient enough for users both
> in the United States and in other countries.
> 
> In particular I will *not* be waiting for:
> 
> (i) cvsup to die
> (ii) a complete lack of CVS users.
> 
> The discussion has resulted in some very useful ideas and feedback
> and I'd like to thank everyone who participated.
> If you have additional objections please followup with me *privately*.
> Other than this email, I will let the topic rest until such time as
> the first three conditions are met.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Eitan Adler
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

-- 
- Alfred Perlstein
.- VMOA #5191, 03 vmax, 92 gs500, 85 ch250, 07 zx10
.- FreeBSD committer



Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20120915205349.GF34563>