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Date:      Tue, 02 May 2000 20:00:57 -0400
From:      John Papalia <john@jpepconsulting.com>
To:        "Jeremiah Gowdy" <jgowdy@home.com>
Cc:        <smkelly@slashnet.org>, <insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net>, <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD and IRC
Message-ID:  <4.3.1.2.20000502195211.00aa9100@mail.jpepconsulting.com>
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> > "it's my channel, so do what I say or screw off" chan-op mentality."
> >
> > The way I view it is simple - the channel "belongs" to the chan-ops for as
> > long as they (can) hold it.
>
>You contradict yourself right there.  If they can hold the channel, and they
>certainly can, then it's theirs to maintain as they see fit.  Period.

You have got to have THE most frustrating case of selective reading and 
quoting that exists.  Perhaps your a politician.  Do NOT misquote me.  What 
I said was:

"
The way I view it is simple - the channel "belongs" to the chan-ops for as 
long as they (can) hold it.  However, in this case the name of the channel 
is also the name of the product.  The name doesn't belong to the chan-ops 
(unless someone actually associated with the project wants to correct me 
here? please?).  So, if you're going to run a channel with a name of a 
product that apparently you support (otherwise why would you be on the 
advocacy mailing list to begin with?), they just think about the fact that 
your actions reflect on the product.  Find a better way to "cure your 
problems" (see above).
"

There was, is, and shall be a "however" in my statement.

Your cavalier "I'm right, you're wrong, get outta my face or I'll curse 
some more at you even though this is a family show" attitude makes the 
project look bad. Period.  Quit being selective in your hearing.

 From some of the postings, your attitude and mantra are NOT held by all 
the ops on #freebsd - just some.  And given that the FAQ states it's a 
"FreeBSD Forum", NOT a "Jeremiah Gowdy" forum, you should look past the end 
of your nose and what you think is best for YOU and instead what is best 
for the PROJECT.

If the channel is NOT associated with the Project, get the FAQ changed.

THAT is what I said.  Period.

--John



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