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Date:      Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:53:02 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Mike Hoskins <mike@adept.org>
To:        Jason Andresen <jandrese@mitre.org>
Cc:        Jason DiCioccio <geniusj@bluenugget.net>, Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>, Sung Nae Cho <sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Regarding hw.ata.wc="1"......
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0107240845420.92951-100000@snafu.adept.org>
In-Reply-To: <3B5D94E7.4680ACEF@mitre.org>

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On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jason Andresen wrote:

> I think the problem was that FreeBSD started getting killed in various
> benchmarks.  Suddenly we have a filesystem that writes slower than
> Solaris and that slows down the entire box.  Also, as a desktop OS
> many people noticed that their FreeBSD boxes were writing much slower
> than even the Windows NT boxes.  It was really painful.

*sigh*

I think the problem is people reading (and conducting) benchmarks without
understanding what's being tested and how, etc.

Unfortuneately then, the reason I chose FreeBSD (server-tuned OS) so
many years ago is no longer valid.  Of course, I knew this would 
eventually happen in our race to keep up with the ever popular penguin (oh
YAY!).

> Finally, the people who really need the sort of protection that sync
> writes gives are the kind who will know to turn off the write cache.

Yeah, I remember arguments like this for some other changes too.

> A sysinstall prompt would be nice though.  An even nicer option 
> would be a little menu on the diskLabel part of the install that 
> asks what options you want to enable on the filesystem when you 
> create it (softupdates, etc...). 

Not a bad idea...  should be much easier to implement since softupdates
became more 'standard' (no more licensing issues).  :)

Later,
-Mike

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