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  1. Dec 17 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-S=E9ba Re: 11.0-CURRENT panic at (allegedly) a dpms signal (monitor off), in drm2
  2. Dec 17 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-S=E9ba Re: new Xorg (KMS, etc.) for Radeon 9600
  3. Dec 18 =?UTF-8?B?5LmU5qWa?=       Re: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000 can't connect to AP
  4. Dec 18 =?UTF-8?B?SmVhbi1Tw6liYXN0 Re: new Xorg (KMS, etc.) for Radeon 9600
  5. Dec 17 Adrian Chadd               Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly
  6. Dec 17 Adrian Chadd                Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly
  7. Dec 17 Adrian Chadd                Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly
  8. Dec 17 Adrian Chadd                Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly
  9. Dec 20 Adrian Chadd                Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly
 10. Dec 17 Adrian Chadd               Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT
 11. Dec 17 Adrian Chadd               Re: [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386
 12. Dec 19 Adrian Chadd               Re: makefs enhancement for better rock-ridge support
 13. Dec 20 Adrian Chadd               Re: nanobsd build failure 'WITHOUT_CASPER=YES' r259661 and earlier
 14. Dec 18 Adrian Chadd               Re: new Xorg (KMS, etc.) for Radeon 9600
 15. Dec 19 Adrian Chadd               Re: ral(4) panic. head, r257837
 16. Dec 20 Adrian Chadd                Re: ral(4) panic. head, r257837
 17. Dec 19 Ajtim                      libz.so.6
 18. Dec 18 Alan Somers                Re: FreeBSD 10 and zfsd
 19. Dec 20 Alan Somers                Re: ZFS/zpool command blocks ... locking up all terminals
 20. Dec 17 Aleksandr Rybalko          Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT


21. Dec 17 Aleksandr Rybalko Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 22. Dec 17 Aleksandr Rybalko Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 23. Dec 17 Aleksandr Rybalko Re: [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 24. Dec 17 Aleksandr Rybalko Re: [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 25. Dec 16 Aleksandr Rybalko Re: r259286 panic 26. Dec 16 Alexander Motin Re: r259286 panic 27. Dec 18 Alexey Dokuchaev Re: urtwn driver for Edimax EW-7811U WLAN nano USB Adapter 28. Dec 19 Alexey Dokuchaev Re: urtwn driver for Edimax EW-7811U WLAN nano USB Adapter 29. Dec 20 Alexey Dokuchaev Re: urtwn driver for Edimax EW-7811U WLAN nano USB Adapter 30. Dec 17 Allan Jude Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 31. Dec 18 Allan Jude Re: ZFS Boot patch 32. Dec 20 Allan Jude Re: ZFS/zpool command blocks ... locking up all terminals 33. Dec 17 Allan Jude Re: [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 34. Dec 18 Allan Jude ZFS Boot patch 35. Dec 18 Allan Jude root-on-zfs /var/empty 36. Dec 17 Andriy Gapon Re: [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 37. Dec 21 Baptiste Daroussin Re: PACKAGESITE spam 38. Dec 21 Baptiste Daroussin Re: PACKAGESITE spam 39. Dec 19 Baptiste Daroussin Re: libz.so.6 40. Dec 18 Baptiste Daroussin Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg
41. Dec 21 Darren Pilgrim Re: PACKAGESITE spam 42. Dec 19 David Chisnall Re: RFC: less chatty system builds 43. Dec 19 David Chisnall Re: RFC: less chatty system builds 44. Dec 18 David Chisnall Re: [HEADS UP] enabling LLDB debugger by default on amd64 45. Dec 16 Dimitry Andric Re: RFC: less chatty system builds 46. Dec 18 Dimitry Andric Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg 47. Dec 15 Don Lewis Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 48. Dec 18 Ed Maste Re: [HEADS UP] enabling LLDB debugger by default on amd64 49. Dec 17 Ed Maste [HEADS UP] enabling LLDB debugger by default on amd64 50. Dec 15 Eitan Adler Re: r259286 panic 51. Dec 17 Eitan Adler Re: r259286 panic 52. Dec 15 Eitan Adler r259286 panic 53. Dec 18 Erich Dollansky Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 54. Dec 21 Florian Smeets Re: PACKAGESITE spam 55. Dec 18 Freddie Cash Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg 56. Dec 18 Freddie Cash Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg 57. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64 58. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64 59. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64 60. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64
61. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64 62. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64 63. Dec 18 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64 64. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm 65. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm 66. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm 67. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm 68. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on arm/arm 69. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on armv6/arm 70. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on armv6/arm 71. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 72. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 73. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 74. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 75. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 76. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 77. Dec 18 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 78. Dec 21 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 79. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/pc98 80. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on i386/pc98
81. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64 82. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64 83. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64 84. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64 85. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64 86. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on mips/mips 87. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on mips/mips 88. Dec 20 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on mips/mips 89. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on mips64/mips 90. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc 91. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc 92. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc 93. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc 94. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc 95. Dec 20 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc 96. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc 97. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc 98. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc 99. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64 100. Dec 15 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64
101. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64 102. Dec 16 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64 103. Dec 17 FreeBSD Tinderbox [head tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64 104. Dec 18 Gleb Smirnoff Re: 10-RC unable to build kernel without INET (i.e. IPv6-only) 105. Dec 19 Gleb Smirnoff Re: Strange coredumps with virtualized i386 FreeBSD 10 106. Dec 19 Gleb Smirnoff Re: Strange coredumps with virtualized i386 FreeBSD 10 107. Dec 16 Glen Barber FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available 108. Dec 17 Glen Barber Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available 109. Dec 17 Glen Barber Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available 110. Dec 21 Glen Barber Re: PACKAGESITE spam 111. Dec 21 Glen Barber Re: PACKAGESITE spam 112. Dec 21 Greg Rivers Re: PACKAGESITE spam 113. Dec 18 Hans Petter Selasky Re: General Protection Fault in prelist_remove() 114. Dec 16 Hans Petter Selasky Re: spec violation of xHCI? 115. Dec 17 John Baldwin Re: Request for testing an alternate branch 116. Dec 18 John Baldwin Re: r259072 is not a happy camper... 117. Dec 19 John Baldwin Re: r259072 is not a happy camper... 118. Dec 20 Julien Grall Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v7 01/19] xen: add PV/PVH kernel entry point 119. Dec 21 Julien Laffaye Re: PACKAGESITE spam 120. Dec 21 Julien Laffaye Re: PACKAGESITE spam
121. Dec 21 Julien Laffaye Re: PACKAGESITE spam 122. Dec 16 Julio Merino Re: RFC: less chatty system builds 123. Dec 15 Justin Hibbits Re: Request for testing an alternate branch 124. Dec 19 Kevin Lo Re: urtwn driver for Edimax EW-7811U WLAN nano USB Adapter 125. Dec 20 Kevin Lo Re: urtwn driver for Edimax EW-7811U WLAN nano USB Adapter 126. Dec 16 Kohji Okuno Re: spec violation of xHCI? 127. Dec 19 Konstantin Belousov Re: SOLVED: Problem with -fno-strict-overflow (was: Re: RFC: (Unconditionally) enable -fno-strict-overflow for kernel builds) 128. Dec 15 Konstantin Belousov Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 129. Dec 15 Konstantin Belousov Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 130. Dec 15 Konstantin Belousov Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 131. Dec 20 Konstantin Belousov Re: [PATCH v7 01/19] xen: add PV/PVH kernel entry point 132. Dec 20 Konstantin Belousov Re: [PATCH v7 04/19] amd64: introduce hook for custom preload metadata parsers 133. Dec 21 Konstantin Belousov Re: [PATCH v7 07/19] xen: implement hook to fetch e820 memory map 134. Dec 21 Konstantin Belousov Re: [PATCH v7 10/19] xen: add hook for AP bootstrap memory reservation 135. Dec 18 Koop Mast Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 136. Dec 18 Kurt Lidl makefs enhancement for better rock-ridge support 137. Dec 19 Kurt Lidl panic with deactivated geom mirror (both 9.2 and 10.0-RC2) 138. Dec 19 Larry Baird Re: Strange coredumps with virtualized i386 FreeBSD 10 139. Dec 19 Larry Baird Strange coredumps with virtualized i386 FreeBSD 10 140. Dec 15 Luigi Rizzo 'silent' kernel builds ?
141. Dec 16 Luigi Rizzo RFC can we use __builtin_prefetch() directly in our kernel sources ? 142. Dec 16 Luigi Rizzo RFC: less chatty system builds 143. Dec 15 Luigi Rizzo Re: 'silent' kernel builds ? 144. Dec 19 Luigi Rizzo Re: RFC: less chatty system builds 145. Dec 19 Luigi Rizzo Re: RFC: less chatty system builds 146. Dec 19 Luigi Rizzo Re: RFC: less chatty system builds 147. Dec 17 Maksim Yevmenkin Re: [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 148. Dec 17 Maksim Yevmenkin Re: [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 149. Dec 17 Maksim Yevmenkin Re: [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 150. Dec 17 Maksim Yevmenkin [rfc] [patch] do not stop watchdog on shutdown 151. Dec 15 Marc UBM Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 152. Dec 15 Marc UBM Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 153. Dec 18 Mark Felder Re: FreeBSD 10 and zfsd 154. Dec 17 Mark Martinec 10-RC unable to build kernel without INET (i.e. IPv6-only) 155. Dec 18 Mark Martinec Re: 10-RC unable to build kernel without INET (i.e. IPv6-only) 156. Dec 17 Markiyan Kushnir 11.0-CURRENT panic at (allegedly) a dpms signal (monitor off), in drm2 157. Dec 17 Markiyan Kushnir Re: 11.0-CURRENT panic at (allegedly) a dpms signal (monitor off), in drm2 158. Dec 18 Markiyan Kushnir Re: 11.0-CURRENT panic at (allegedly) a dpms signal (monitor off), in drm2 159. Dec 18 Matthias Apitz Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg 160. Dec 18 Matthias Apitz svn && ports, or the hen && egg
161. Dec 20 Mikhail T. Re: md2 on current and 10. 162. Dec 20 Mikhail T. Re: md2 on current and 10. 163. Dec 20 Mikhail T. md2 on current and 10. 164. Dec 15 Nathan Whitehorn Re: CAM ABI change requires recompile of hald and smartmontools 165. Dec 17 Nathan Whitehorn Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 166. Dec 17 Nathan Whitehorn Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 167. Dec 19 Nathan Whitehorn Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 168. Dec 18 Nathan Whitehorn Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg 169. Dec 17 Navdeep Parhar Re: [HEADS UP] enabling LLDB debugger by default on amd64 170. Dec 16 Niclas Zeising [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 171. Dec 17 Niilo Kajander Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available 172. Dec 17 Nikolai Lifanov Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 173. Dec 17 Nikolai Lifanov Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 174. Dec 17 Nikolai Lifanov Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 175. Dec 17 Nikolai Lifanov Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 176. Dec 20 O. Hartmann Re: ZFS/zpool command blocks ... locking up all terminals 177. Dec 20 O. Hartmann ZFS/zpool command blocks ... locking up all terminals 178. Dec 17 Odhiambo Washington Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available 179. Dec 17 Odhiambo Washington Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available 180. Dec 17 Odhiambo Washington Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available
181. Dec 17 Odhiambo Washington Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available 182. Dec 19 Oliver Pinter Re: SOLVED: Problem with -fno-strict-overflow (was: Re: RFC: (Unconditionally) enable -fno-strict-overflow for kernel builds) 183. Dec 18 Outback Dingo Re: FreeBSD 10 and zfsd 184. Dec 18 Outback Dingo Re: FreeBSD 10 and zfsd 185. Dec 15 Pawel Jakub Dawidek Re: dhclient can't limit bpf descriptor? 186. Dec 18 Poul-Henning Kamp Re: r259072 is not a happy camper... 187. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne =?UTF-8?q?=5BPATCH=20v7=2004/19=5D=20amd64=3A=20introduce=20hook=20for=20custom=20preload=20metadata=20parsers?= 188. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne =?UTF-8?q?=5BPATCH=20v7=2009/19=5D=20xen=3A=20add=20a=20apic=5Fenumerator=20for=20PVH?= 189. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne =?UTF-8?q?=5BPATCH=20v7=2014/19=5D=20xen=3A=20introduce=20a=20dummy=20pvcpu=20device?= 190. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne =?UTF-8?q?=5BPATCH=20v7=2015/19=5D=20xen=3A=20create=20a=20Xen=20nexus=20to=20use=20in=20PV/PVH?= 191. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 00/19] FreeBSD PVH DomU support 192. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 01/19] xen: add PV/PVH kernel entry point 193. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 02/19] xen: add macro to detect if running as Dom0 194. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 03/19] xen: add and enable Xen console for PVH guests 195. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 05/19] xen: rework xen timer so it can be used early in boot process 196. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 06/19] xen: implement an early timer for Xen PVH 197. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 07/19] xen: implement hook to fetch e820 memory map 198. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 08/19] xen: use the same hypercall mechanism for XEN and XENHVM 199. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 10/19] xen: add hook for AP bootstrap memory reservation 200. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 11/19] xen: changes to hvm code in order to support PVH guests
201. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 12/19] xen: add a hook to perform AP startup 202. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 13/19] xen: introduce flag to disable the local apic 203. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 16/19] xen: add shutdown hook for PVH 204. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 17/19] xen: xenstore changes to support PVH 205. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 18/19] xen: changes to gnttab for PVH 206. Dec 19 Roger Pau Monne [PATCH v7 19/19] isa: allow ISA bus to attach to the nexus 207. Dec 15 Rui Paulo Re: 'silent' kernel builds ? 208. Dec 19 Sergey V. Dyatko Re: ral(4) panic. head, r257837 209. Dec 19 Sergey V. Dyatko ral(4) panic. head, r257837 210. Dec 19 Shane Ambler Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg 211. Dec 15 Stefan Esser CAM ABI change requires recompile of hald and smartmontools 212. Dec 15 Stefan Esser Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 213. Dec 15 Stefan Esser Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 214. Dec 19 Stefan Esser SOLVED: Problem with -fno-strict-overflow (was: Re: RFC: (Unconditionally) enable -fno-strict-overflow for kernel builds) 215. Dec 20 Stefan Hegnauer PR bin/185052 filed (was: RE: nanobsd build failure 'WITHOUT_CASPER=YES' r259661 and earlier) 216. Dec 20 Stefan Hegnauer nanobsd build failure 'WITHOUT_CASPER=YES' r259661 and earlier 217. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam 218. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam 219. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam 220. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam
221. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam 222. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam 223. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam 224. Dec 21 Steve Kargl Re: PACKAGESITE spam 225. Dec 15 Steve Kargl Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 226. Dec 15 Steve Kargl Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 227. Dec 17 Steve Kargl Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 228. Dec 17 Steve Kargl Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 229. Dec 17 Steve Kargl Re: [HEADS UP] xorg version switch in CURRENT 230. Dec 15 Steven Hartland Re: SVN commit 259045 breaks -CURRENT 231. Dec 18 Teske, Devin Re: ZFS Boot patch 232. Dec 19 Thomas Mueller Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg 233. Dec 19 Thomas Mueller Re: urtwn driver for Edimax EW-7811U WLAN nano USB Adapter 234. Dec 15 Tim Kientzle Re: dhclient can't limit bpf descriptor? 235. Dec 19 Tom Evans Re: urtwn driver for Edimax EW-7811U WLAN nano USB Adapter 236. Dec 16 Wilkinson, Alex Re: 10-BETA{3,4} - Consistent Kernel Panics (pf_ioctl.c:1289) 237. Dec 18 Xin Li Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 238. Dec 18 Xin Li Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 239. Dec 19 asomers@gmail.com Re: FreeBSD 10 and zfsd 240. Dec 17 dan_partelly 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly
241. Dec 17 dan_partelly Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 242. Dec 17 dan_partelly Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 243. Dec 17 dan_partelly Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 244. Dec 18 dan_partelly Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 245. Dec 18 dan_partelly Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 246. Dec 20 dan_partelly Re: 10-RC2 current wireless link aggregation not working correctly 247. Dec 21 dt71@gmx.com PACKAGESITE spam 248. Dec 20 dt71@gmx.com Re: buildworld error (tcpdump and Capsicum) 249. Dec 20 dt71@gmx.com Re: buildworld error (tcpdump and Capsicum) 250. Dec 16 dt71@gmx.com Re: new Xorg (KMS, etc.) for Radeon 9600 251. Dec 18 dt71@gmx.com Re: new Xorg (KMS, etc.) for Radeon 9600 252. Dec 16 dt71@gmx.com buildworld error (tcpdump and Capsicum) 253. Dec 20 olli hauer Re: md2 on current and 10. 254. Dec 20 olli hauer Re: md2 on current and 10. 255. Dec 19 olli hauer Re: svn && ports, or the hen && egg


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